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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by ThinkBeat »

I was thinking the other day that Apple is the only company developing their operating system and devices for consumers.

I am not sure where Microsofts attention is these days. They have Windows Server I am not sure how the teams are allocated anymore.

The vast majority of investment and work in Linux is for what FAANG and other enterprises need.

The visual sugar POP_OS adds is nice, perhaps the on Linux. But it doesnt let you run Office 365, Creative Cloud, the vast majority of photo editing tools I use, or all the nice little apps I have on the Mac.

I have been running Linux since 1994, but I have not yet found it convenient replacement for my desktop.

It is getting very close on the "dev / coding" side, I can make that work

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Sosh101 »

icambron wrote: post #27

I bought a desktop from System76 (it's wonderful) so I gave Pop_os a spin. It's pretty clean but there were just too many little things that didn't _quite_ work right. Customizing keyboard shortcuts never quite got me what I wanted. UI elements in the status bar that would stop being clickable. Buggy config screens. I eventually gave up. I love the idea and I wish them the best of luck, but as of a couple months ago,…

I've been using it as my main OS for nearly 3 years now, without any of the problems you describe.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by GekkePrutser »

howdydoo wrote: post #98
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Are there any apps other than terminals that don't use ctrl-c? I can forgive that in a terminal app because it conflicts with SIGINT, but it would be very weird if a normal app like vscode did it differently.

Not really no. It seems to be only terminals.

Mind you, Mac has a similar annoyance with its command-C/V. If you work with Linux (+BSD) , Windows and Mac every day, as I do, be prepared to be frustrated a LOT.

I'd love if keyboards just had dedicated keys for this. It's used enough to warrant them (much more than other obscure functions like SysRq that do get their own key, or Apple's 19 function keys). I guess this is because I'm the DOS single task days there wasn't much of a need for copying and pasting.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

#104

Post by pkulak »

somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

That doesn't fly with me. I just use Alacritty and re-bind the keys so I can still use ctrl-c and v:

https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacr...

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by ohazi »

somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

For various reasons, most Linux applications try not to use the Super (Windows) key for anything by default, which makes it a good candidate for use as a custom modifier key for whatever you want. For example, users of tiling window managers often use Super+... for interacting with their desktop (open a terminal, open a launcher, switch workspaces, swap windows, etc.).

There's nothing stopping you from deciding to use Super+c/v as copy/paste instead of Ctrl+c/v or Ctrl+Shift+c/v. Apple doesn't use Ctrl+c/v either... they use Command, so the conflict you're referring to doesn't exist there either.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by marcodiego »

smoldesu wrote: post #32
coldtea wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it finally the year of Linux on the desktop? Considering that the hope behind this term was about winning the desktop user share from Windows, and not just "being usable" on the desktop, or "being used" on the desktop, no.

Now that Windows 11 is a thing, I think winning desktop user share from Windows will be easier than ever before. What else is the average Joe going to do with their TPM-less devices?

We heard similar comments about Me, Vista and 8.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by nerdponx »

somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

I think MacOS got something right by using its Command key for "desktop-wide" shortcuts that aren't specific to one application, (kind of) leaving Ctrl and Alt for applications.

I generally try to follow this pattern when possible.

But I really do wish that it was easier to get a consistent look and feel on Linux, including key bindings.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by _fzslm »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

yup yup yup. i would pack my bags from Mac land and move to that distro right away. (if i had adobe too, lol…)

having a global menu interface that presents a uniform structure for navigating applications to the end user with sane default keyboard shortcuts (but universally configurable) would be a -game changer-

it also opens the doors to novel ideas up like Command Palette-like UX paradigms. imagine changing the resolution of a graphic document with about ten keystrokes, and being able to work so seamlessly in all of your apps! it’s almost like a universal command interface that works in GUI apps… okay, maybe i’m getting ahead of myself.

> If I'm ever fabulously wealthy, I already know I'm just going to finance an open source fastidious spiritual successor to MacOS 10.6

i, for one, root for your financial success ;)

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by mindwok »

xedrac wrote: post #94
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Why bother implementing ctrl+c and ctrl+v in Linux when highlighting text copies it, and middle click pastes it? Ctrl+c feels like the dark ages in comparison.

The biggest pain with this is when you want to highlight some other text to paste over. For example I use the keyboard method for copying urls and pasting into my address bar, otherwise when you select all on the address bar you copy that instead.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by marcodiego »

ejj28 wrote: post #52
nebula8804 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throw them in the trash and buy a new PC. They are pretty cheap.

Having worked at an independent PC repair shop, there are a lot of people who would rather keep using their old 6+ year old laptops and have SSDs installed in them than go out and buy a new laptop. Yeah there are cheap ones for sale, but they're underpowered, have regular old HDDs, and only 4GB of RAM. Plus, now they're coming with Windows 11 preinstalled, which will annoy a lot of people who are used to Windows 7 or…

6+ year old laptops run very decently with 8gb RAM, a SSD and a modern linux distro.
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