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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by windexh8er »

criddell wrote: post #21

I guess I don't get how operating systems are still something that people have such strong opinions on. All of the major operating systems are good enough or can be made good enough by installing a few packages. Pop may be great, but it's useless if you need to run Final Cut Pro. macOS is wonderful, but not if you want to play a lot of AAA games. Windows is fine, but if you are doing a lot of Ruby on Rails you may ha…

I find this comment disheartening. Not only because it diminishes the polished nature of today's landscape of open source options from IoT through to the data center, but the genuine disregard for anything that doesn't run niche commercial software.

Beyond that many of us enjoy not running operating systems attached to overpriced hardware and/or organizations that legitimately spy on their users through their "OS".

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by stjohnswarts »

icambron wrote: post #27

I bought a desktop from System76 (it's wonderful) so I gave Pop_os a spin. It's pretty clean but there were just too many little things that didn't _quite_ work right. Customizing keyboard shortcuts never quite got me what I wanted. UI elements in the status bar that would stop being clickable. Buggy config screens. I eventually gave up. I love the idea and I wish them the best of luck, but as of a couple months ago,…

Another opinion: Pop_OS is fine and perfectly useable. I have used it for 3 years without any big issues. Sure pop_os store hangs occasionally but it times out and fixes itself and I haven't seen it doing even that in 22.10. It's fine folks, give it a try.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by jeroenhd »

wging wrote: post #29
zibzab wrote: post #5

This is the distro that LTT used to test Linux gaming, right?

It's not. Linus used Manjaro.

Linus used it for a bit before a bug in the apt repos caused a forced steam install to uninstall his GUI.

Pretty bad timing because the bug was there for just a short while but at least the devs made changes to prevent such a thing from happening to a beginner in the future

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by christophilus »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

Arch or Fedora. Even Ubuntu will likely be more up to date. Some people use Debian Sid, which is kinda like a rolling distro, if you squint.

But seriously: Arch-based or Fedora is what you want. They’re up to date.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by mavhc »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

Being out of date is Debian Stable's whole thing. Don't pick that if you want the latest versions, or just use containers

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by stjohnswarts »

Normille wrote: post #19

All very pretty I'm sure. But, at the end of the day, much though I enjoy twiddling with Linux and poking around different distros, I'm stuck with MacOS because [like a lot of folks who use MacOS for work reasons and not to be 'hipster cool'] I work in the design industry and that means the Adobe suite is a must. Linux has nothing that comes close. And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitif…

I think these articles are meant for casual users and programmer, which greatly outnumber desktop publishing/artistic users. No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by headmelted »

criddell wrote: post #21

I guess I don't get how operating systems are still something that people have such strong opinions on. All of the major operating systems are good enough or can be made good enough by installing a few packages. Pop may be great, but it's useless if you need to run Final Cut Pro. macOS is wonderful, but not if you want to play a lot of AAA games. Windows is fine, but if you are doing a lot of Ruby on Rails you may ha…

There’s so much nuance to it though.

Sure, each of the “big three” work well enough these days for most tasks, but there’s more to it than just compatibility.

macOS has pretty unobtrusive systems in place for code signing and only running software from known vendors.

Linux has code-signing, in that it exists as a technology, but it’s not ubiquitously supported and you don’t get a centralised service vouching for recognised vendors out of the box (which makes sense as it kind of goes against the libre ethos - but it’s not a great situation for many users).

Windows supports gaming and most desktop software, but the security system (last I checked - please tell me if I’m way out of date on this) isn’t granular enough to cater to what you may or may not be comfortable with - so a lot of software will just trigger a UAC prompt for carte-blanche admin rights, which is as dangerous as you imagine.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

I’m pretty sure there is a homebrew for linux project, but I’ve never used it.

Remember apt packages have a rigorous review process. Scoop installs every program in user space, which is very good, but it’s nothing like what apt’s review process offers. The comparison on convenience alone is naive.

I think scoop is really nice. It’s a near perfect solution for the problem it solves, but the only problem it solves is convenience, and you’re still stuck using Windows.

Ultimately, I’ve found the most hassle-free solution is a default Ubuntu installation with a maintained dotfiles repo that has a ./scripts directory to document installation methods when necessary.

Or, do one better and make Dockerfiles for your dev environments and barely install anything on your local machine.

I am tempted by Manjaro, but I generally like to stick to the beaten path as much as possible so I don’t run into too many snags that slow me down.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by GekkePrutser »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

If you want up to date everything you simply chose the wrong distro. It's not really the package manager's fault.

Debian goes for stable versions during a release and backports security patches. It's one of their main design philosophies. It really shines for boxes you want to run something for years with minimal maintenance.

Get arch, manjaro or another rolling distro and you'll have what you want :)

Or perhaps Ubuntu which is Debian based, but they put a lot of effort into decoupling the OS packages and libs from third party software using snap. It does have some drawbacks though like launching speed and integration. Personally I go the rolling way for my daily drivers.

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