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Re: dwm

#81

Post by hiptobecubic »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #59
kjeetgill wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The more we try to pretend it should be possible for all people to program or use computers in general, the worse software becomes. I was 100% with you until that last sentence. For me, it's just an important reminder that software isn't just a commercial endeavor, or just a job, but can be artistry, hobby, and tool. And that each of those are vibrant enough to support and serve their own overlapping communities. I…

Well my point is that we pretend programming can be easy by allowing people to program in JavaScript, for example. Sure this has resulted in a boon of apps but the downside is that the average quality of these apps is pretty low in terms of performance-oriented usability and probably in terms of bugs as well. I sometimes use retro computers and marvel at how well the software for those machines runs. The only differe…

I think this way over-romanticizes what that era actually produced and ignores the huge breakthroughs since then. So many things would not exist if participation was limited only to the kind of people that were writing software in the 80s and 90s. Many of the landmark brands of today were not thought up or written by such people.

Also, I strongly feel like old software "runs better" because neither the OS nor the software itself practically did anything. The security model was "be a good citizen." Graphics programming meant writing to a big buffer and then copying it to the screen. Oh your native language isn't representable in ASCII? It reads right-to-left? You are colorblind and need to apply a color transform to the display? Too bad. Those things aren't "clean and simple" code and the team of 30-something 1337 guys that wrote wasn't imagining you when deciding how the program would work.

Also it's not like these programs aren't still available. Did you write this comment using lynx? Do you do your finances with "gnome spreadsheet?" Do you listen to music with WinAmp 2.0? Do you moan in frustration every time you find a long, informative Wikipedia article, undoubtedly written by someone who doesn't understand cache lines, or even CSS? I don't even though I used to (well not the last one). I've moved on to objectively better things.

We're way, way better off with lower barriers and increased participation because it's additive. Despite electron being a thing or Visual Studio ushering in an era of "GUI builder + simple callback" apps, suckless still exists.

Re: dwm

#82

Post by hiptobecubic »

Lingunixtix wrote: post #25

Dwm has inspired many users to exercise freedom 1 with own modifications (patches), forks and rewrites in other languages: for instance Xmonad, awesome, and even a Microsoft Windows port. And adaptions for emacs, too. Of course. Hell, even for vim! :o

It "inspired" them because dwm is functionally incomplete and requires a complete redesign. Something like xmonad also does the "my wm is actually library and I wrote the wm with it" approach, but is designed in a way to support code reuse and sharing. It's infinitely better, imo.

Re: dwm

#83

Post by taauji »

seanw444 wrote: post #69

I tried DWM, and I think it's pretty cool. But extending the functionality through C, and the limited set of patches, kind of bothered me. I wanted to essentially DIY my own window manager, but with a language that's a bit quicker to write, and less a burden to think about. For this, I highly recommend AwesomeWM. Been my daily driver for half a year now. I absolutely love it. It's scripted with Lua, so it's still sna…

AwesomeWM has been my daily driver for 6 years now. was using i3 for a few years before that. Awesome definitely hits the sweet spot for me.

Re: dwm

#84

Post by nonbirithm »

hiptobecubic wrote: post #81
CyberRabbi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well my point is that we pretend programming can be easy by allowing people to program in JavaScript, for example. Sure this has resulted in a boon of apps but the downside is that the average quality of these apps is pretty low in terms of performance-oriented usability and probably in terms of bugs as well. I sometimes use retro computers and marvel at how well the software for those machines runs. The only differe…

I think this way over-romanticizes what that era actually produced and ignores the huge breakthroughs since then. So many things would not exist if participation was limited only to the kind of people that were writing software in the 80s and 90s. Many of the landmark brands of today were not thought up or written by such people. Also, I strongly feel like old software "runs better" because neither the OS nor the sof…

Arguably, lowering the barrier to adoption has caused entrepreneurs who might not have otherwise cared about "that software thing" to find every possible nook and cranny to put in increasingly hostile monetization schemes to applications that wouldn't have had them otherwise. It's gotten to the point that people have figured out how to make others pay for JPEGs. That might just be a thing to laugh off if the same breed of technology didn't have the potential to saturate the Earth's entire energy capacity.

In terms of the greater concept of technology adoption, mandated facial recognition and apps for accessing crucial government/financial services only started making sense once smartphones had become useful enough to the average person from being an objectively better way of consuming information, such that nearly everyone decided to purchase and use one. That was because so many engineers and other people had eyes on the technology given its objective utility, and they all contributed to its uprising.

Despite this, I highly doubt that the elitist technological separation that suckless proposes would ever come to pass in the real world. We're simply too smart to not find better ways of manipulating burnt sand on our own, whether or not they exist to serve some powerful entity's ulterior motive.

Re: dwm

#85

Post by runjake »

hiptobecubic wrote: post #80
runjake wrote: post #73

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Go into System Preferences, Mission Control, and uncheck “Displays have separate spaces”.

Oh if they fixed it that's great! I've got no reason to use it now, but maybe if I had another job like that one it would have been less frustrating.

FWIW: Not trolling, but I believe they added this setting in 2013 with Mavericks.

Now, if macOS could get auto-tiling options like Linux has...

Re: dwm

#86

Post by okasaki »

squarefoot wrote: post #71
ognarb wrote: post #52

Just in case you thought about using Suckless/dwm: They’re doing literal torch hikes through southern Germany at their conferences, fighting online against "cultural marxism", and their mail server has the hostname "Wolfsschanze" (see: https://twitter.com/pid_eins/status/1113738766471057408 ) Source: https://twitter.com/kuschku/status/1156488420413362177

From linked page: "This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions." From Wikipedia's definition of Eugenics: "Eugenics is a set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population, historically by excluding people and groups judged to be inferior or promoting those judged to be superior."

Filtering out the inexperienced has nothing at all to do with genetics.

Re: dwm

#87

Post by squarefoot »

okasaki wrote: post #86
squarefoot wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From linked page: "This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions." From Wikipedia's definition of Eugenics: "Eugenics is a set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population, historically by excluding people and groups judged to be inferior or promoting those judged to be superior."

Filtering out the inexperienced has nothing at all to do with genetics.

The mindset behind that attitude, however, is pretty much the same.

Re: dwm

#88

Post by awsation »

runjake wrote: post #85
hiptobecubic wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh if they fixed it that's great! I've got no reason to use it now, but maybe if I had another job like that one it would have been less frustrating.

FWIW: Not trolling, but I believe they added this setting in 2013 with Mavericks. Now, if macOS could get auto-tiling options like Linux has...

Rectangle ? https://rectangleapp.com/

Re: dwm

#89

Post by kuschku »

NevilleNerd wrote: post #77
IntelMiner wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the time they waded into the Debian mailing list to argue "maybe Hitler wasn't actually bad" https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyn...

And don't forget to check for recurring libel motives: systemd proponents, KDE-developers or lbgt extraverts like the "lady" with the torch light story. You can tell which way the wind is blowing.

> lbgt extraverts like the "lady" with the torch light story.

Is there a joke I'm missing or why are you using quotes there?

Re: dwm

#90

Post by runjake »

awsation wrote: post #88
runjake wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW: Not trolling, but I believe they added this setting in 2013 with Mavericks. Now, if macOS could get auto-tiling options like Linux has...

Rectangle ? https://rectangleapp.com/

I use Rectangle currently but it doesn’t auto-tile. Not that I can find anyway.
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