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Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by adrianN »

542458 wrote: post #178
maxwell86 wrote: post #165

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We bought a single profesional induction stove, 4.5 kW for a single plate, on ebay, barely used, for 100$. The thing is a beast. You can heat a pot with 50L of water in ~10-15min with it to like 60 + degrees celsius. With gas it takes an hour.

It’s very bizarre to me how you can get very inexpensive single burner countertop induction plates ($50-100), but multi-burner built-in cooktops are dramatically more expensive ($1000-4000). Anybody know why this is?

I can order a Bosch induction top with 7.4kW and four fields for 350€ off Amazon. Where do you pay $1000?

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by adrianN »

oxymoran wrote: post #213
maxwell86 wrote: post #156

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Good induction is light years better than good gas stoves. Ours has 4.5kW _per plate_, and its awesome. Silent, instantaneously hot, instantaneously cold, full control over the heat, no gases, etc. For heating and hot water, "remote heat" is infinitely cheaper, both in acquisition and maintenance costs, and infinitely more environmentally friendly than gas and electric heating. Sure, if you live in a remote region or…

Heat pumps only work on their own in mild climates. Cold climates still require furnace in conjunction with the heat pump. Good luck convincing anyone in the northern United States of getting rid of their furnace or hot water heater. Spouting this sort of head-in-the-clouds, wrong information only weakens your cause. “WHERE DO HEAT PUMPS WORK BEST? Heat pumps are more common in milder climates, where the temperature…

Heat pumps are fairly popular in Scandinavia where it gets quite cold, they fall back to resistive heating when it gets below -20°C, I think.

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Post by smileysteve »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #235
maccard wrote: post #219

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We should absolutely not be subsodisong someone who has the means to install a $3000 induction range and do $2k worth of additional work at the same time. A semi decent 4 ring induction cooktop can be had for less than £300, and it plugs straight into a wall socket with no electrical work needed. If you're removing a gas stove and making the point safe, I'd say $100 to cap the pipe at the point of the old range (base…

Typical American wall sockets rarely deliver more than 120V * 15A. Plug in induction hobs targeting the American market clock in at 1800 W spread across all burners, at most. There are no four burner solutions for which this power is sufficient.

If wired for an electric resistance range and oven, the typical American home has 240x30+

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by adrianN »

wantoncl wrote: post #93
sgt wrote: post #55

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Tactile feedback? Knobs? What do you think this is, the 1950s? No no. Your next stove should have a touchscreen, maybe not even a screen at all - control everything via your phone using a cloud based platform that connects to your stove./s

OK, but where does the blockchain and Stovecoin mining fit in? I gotta make money from cooking on it somehow!

Your next stove mines bitcoin on recycled Pentium 4s that were overclocked to 5GHz.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by jhallenworld »

mrblampo wrote: post #47

My wife and I decided to switch to induction after the NYT article on this topic a few months ago. Not only did we have a gas stove that was probably spiking NO2 levels when we actually used it; we also seemed to have a gas leak. It was not a big one, just a faint smell, but it was hard to pin down. A plumber concluded the connection between the range and the pipe wasn't the problem. No specific part of the range sme…

>The electrical work cost $1800

For less than 8 hours of work I'm sure.. I'm in the wrong profession.

It could be worse, try doing this in an old building in NYC.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

smileysteve wrote: post #264
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typical American wall sockets rarely deliver more than 120V * 15A. Plug in induction hobs targeting the American market clock in at 1800 W spread across all burners, at most. There are no four burner solutions for which this power is sufficient.

If wired for an electric resistance range and oven, the typical American home has 240x30+

Right, but we are talking about an upgrade to a house that was wired for a gas range. The person I was responding to suggested using a countertop hob plugged into a standard wall socket. That's not going to work in the states.

At least, I assume that is what they were talking about because there are no full scale induction ranges available for 300 pounds = $400. They start around $900.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

oxymoran wrote: post #213
maxwell86 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good induction is light years better than good gas stoves. Ours has 4.5kW _per plate_, and its awesome. Silent, instantaneously hot, instantaneously cold, full control over the heat, no gases, etc. For heating and hot water, "remote heat" is infinitely cheaper, both in acquisition and maintenance costs, and infinitely more environmentally friendly than gas and electric heating. Sure, if you live in a remote region or…

Heat pumps only work on their own in mild climates. Cold climates still require furnace in conjunction with the heat pump. Good luck convincing anyone in the northern United States of getting rid of their furnace or hot water heater. Spouting this sort of head-in-the-clouds, wrong information only weakens your cause. “WHERE DO HEAT PUMPS WORK BEST? Heat pumps are more common in milder climates, where the temperature…

This is the same as "hybrid" cars. It seems like a sensible halfway point but once you try it you find that just going fully electric has many benefits.

Like for example, if you're going to go to the expense of laying gas pipes for those furnaces, why not lay a geothermal loop instead and use that to boost the heat pumps output?

And, like the "EVs don't work in the cold" claim, there's lots of experience outside the US of EVs and heat pumps working well in cold climates. You might need to insulate your house or stop actively subsidizing fossil fuels to make it happen in the early stages but it's totally doable.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

prometheus76 wrote: post #217
KennyBlanken wrote: post #184

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I have an induction cooktop and my cast iron pans have been terrible. Cast iron has lousy heat conduction and induction stoves do not have even distribution. They negate a lot of the benefits of induction, which is the ability to put a massive amount of heat into the pan very quickly. High carbon steel pans (the kind used by kitchen services) have been brilliant. Every time I've seen an induction cooktop in use in a…

"Cast iron" and "high carbon steel" are the same thing by different names, so I'm a little confused by your comment.

High carbon steel has less carbon than cast iron. Cast iron contains substantial amounts of Ledeburite, while steel contains none or at most negligible Ledeburite inclusions.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Iron_car...

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