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Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by jonnycomputer » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:38 PM UTC

eptcyka wrote: post #116

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how anyone can cook with these things for exactly the reasons you mention. Cooking can be chaotic with many things to keep track at once. Fingers are wet, or greasy so buttons don't work. Something overflows with just a few tiny drops the thing switches off leading to a problem with something else on the stove that requires constant stirring because now you're forced to clean your hands, dry to spillage…

My mother uses her bialetti moka pot on her induction stove every morning. I'm not entirely sure what you're on about.

Probably depends on which moka pot you get.

https://caffeinetalk.com/using-a-moka-pot-on-an-induction-st...

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by aaron695 » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

clusterfish wrote: post #122

Apparently unpopular opinion: despite growing up with gas stoves and cooking every day I do not find them any better at it than decent electric ones (not talking about induction). Granted, my kitchen is not Michelin rated, but I have no idea what fancy temperature control people are constantly raving over with gas. Electric has a bit of thernal inertia, yes. If you cooked more than a few times on your own, you know w…

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Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by oxymoran » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

“ the climate community would risk backlash and not be as effective at convincing people to get rid of their furnaces and water heaters”

Is this a thing, wanting to convince people to get rid of furnaces and hot water heaters? Are we replacing them with anything? Seems like an extremely tough sell, especially for people living places that are cold. Take the poor little boy who just died because his “family” forced him to take an ice cold shower in the middle of winter as punishment. This seems like the hairbrained idea of people who don’t experience seasons.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by jonnycomputer » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:39 PM UTC

params wrote: post #46

leobg wrote: post #29

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I love induction. The main annoyance, for me, are the touch controls. You regulate up or down in steps, and the controls sometimes have trouble recognizing your fingers if they are wet. There’s also no tactile feedback. I’d much rather turn a knob. Then it would be perfect.

This is so true, my parents have an induction stove with touch controls. It takes ONE drop of water on the 10x40cm touch control square to make the whole stove top shut down with a beeping alarm sound. If you have buttery fingers it won't recognize any touches (major annoyance when making butter heavy sauces). On top of that it also relies on long-presses, you have to hold your finger on the "button zones" for 2 seco…

what you can't get induction stoves with knobs? is this just a high-end thing in general?

man, in the kitchen, keep the controls simple.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by Macha » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:42 PM UTC

oxymoran wrote: post #193

“ the climate community would risk backlash and not be as effective at convincing people to get rid of their furnaces and water heaters” Is this a thing, wanting to convince people to get rid of furnaces and hot water heaters? Are we replacing them with anything? Seems like an extremely tough sell, especially for people living places that are cold. Take the poor little boy who just died because his “family” forced hi…

There's a push to replace them with storage heaters or immersion heaters or other forms of electric heating for sure in my country. But not to replace them with nothing.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by Latty » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:43 PM UTC

maxwell86 wrote: post #165

mrblampo wrote: post #47

My wife and I decided to switch to induction after the NYT article on this topic a few months ago. Not only did we have a gas stove that was probably spiking NO2 levels when we actually used it; we also seemed to have a gas leak. It was not a big one, just a faint smell, but it was hard to pin down. A plumber concluded the connection between the range and the pipe wasn't the problem. No specific part of the range sme…

We bought a single profesional induction stove, 4.5 kW for a single plate, on ebay, barely used, for 100$. The thing is a beast. You can heat a pot with 50L of water in ~10-15min with it to like 60 + degrees celsius. With gas it takes an hour.

Water really does make it obvious. I always used to use an electric kettle to heat water and then pour it into a pan to avoid waiting for it to heat on gas. With an induction hob it's super fast to heat.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by ericbarrett » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:43 PM UTC

nickkell wrote: post #60

ericbarrett wrote: post #19

NO2 is also produced by diesel and gasoline combustion and is a significant pollutant in most cities; its value changes during the day (Windy.com has this info if you are curious). I don't see that the author is controlling for the outside value. Some of the variance could be regional air quality (e.g. the low values around Christmas).

So why would there be spikes during the night? And how do you explain the dip on days when they don’t cook?

I don't know, but actually (again, according to Windy) NO2 spikes at night across the U.S., but less on weekends. Industrial processes? Furnaces? Weather? Bad data? This is why they should have an "outside" control away from any house exhausts.

I'm also not saying the gas stove has no effect, just that they don't seem to be controlling for ambient NO2.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by samsa » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:44 PM UTC

oxymoran wrote: post #193

“ the climate community would risk backlash and not be as effective at convincing people to get rid of their furnaces and water heaters” Is this a thing, wanting to convince people to get rid of furnaces and hot water heaters? Are we replacing them with anything? Seems like an extremely tough sell, especially for people living places that are cold. Take the poor little boy who just died because his “family” forced hi…

There is a push to get rid of new natural gas hookups and force new construction to use all electric appliances. Some localities have legislated this.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by antishatter » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:44 PM UTC

crisdux wrote: post #187

mrblampo wrote: post #47

My wife and I decided to switch to induction after the NYT article on this topic a few months ago. Not only did we have a gas stove that was probably spiking NO2 levels when we actually used it; we also seemed to have a gas leak. It was not a big one, just a faint smell, but it was hard to pin down. A plumber concluded the connection between the range and the pipe wasn't the problem. No specific part of the range sme…

> We should be subsidizing conversions like this. This is the epitome of the current green movement. Proponents want an unnecessary luxury green product subsidized for higher income households, even though there are perfectly fine substitutes that are just as good for the environment at 1/5 the cost you just described. I just can't get on board with a movement like this.

I mean, they could have just fixed their gas leak (lol what the fuck) and bought a nice hood. Even having to suggest people fix their gas leak is comedic and reminds me of how absurd many tech people are. Bragging about transitioning, recommending a subsidy, allowing a gas leak.

Re: How bad is my gas stove?

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Post by KennyBlanken » Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 1:44 PM UTC

asteroidp wrote: post #175

maxwell86 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good induction is light years better than good gas stoves. Ours has 4.5kW _per plate_, and its awesome. Silent, instantaneously hot, instantaneously cold, full control over the heat, no gases, etc. For heating and hot water, "remote heat" is infinitely cheaper, both in acquisition and maintenance costs, and infinitely more environmentally friendly than gas and electric heating. Sure, if you live in a remote region or…

Most people don't live in a dense large city. It is telling you equate those people with living in a third world. Country though. Gas blows induction out of the water for actual cooking, not just reheating stuff

My medium-end bought-off-craigslist induction cooktop made by GE is faster and more controllable than either the stove at a friend's house which is an old-school huge commercial-range-style gas stove, or my parent's stove which is a newer but high-end gas range.

I've never seen a stove bring 8 qt of water to boil so quickly.