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Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by champagnois »

todorus wrote: post #88
champagnois wrote: post #40

There is always a risk of attempted out-of-context cancellation for people who attempt to discuss the quirks of philosophy, law, or policy regarding taboo subjects. I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case. While I cannot defend what RMS may have said just as I cannot defend what Schrodinger may have don…

Is this a pet peeve with little to do with the article itself or are you actually reacting to what is going on in this comment section where a discussion is taking place of:"but is this wrong?" All the while ignoring that Schrodinger had a diary in which he condemned his own actions and was aware of the hurt he was doing. This just screams bias.

Less about Schroedinger or Stallman, more of a meta commentary on the way people talk about these things combined with the way others threaten to make it a crusade against commenters.

I find these sorts of engagements interesting at the meta level.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by fleurjs »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #62
fleurjs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God is at fault for giving free will to humans.

Well, funnily enough, he put us in a Garden where we had everything we could possibly want and we had free will, but had no knowledge of what evil was. However, because we had free will and he didn't want little robots, he put a tree in it with fruit that would give us that knowledge if we freely choose it, but warned us of the consequences. We chose the knowledge. And we made that choice pretty quickly off the bat t…

Not a complaint but a fact.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by eru »

rwilson4 wrote: post #29
eru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, quantum mechanics is already sort-of fully deterministic. It's only the not-quite quantum mechanical Born rule that's interpreted as probabilistic (unless you believe in eg the many worlds interpretation.)

My understanding is that the evolution of the wave function is deterministic. Upon measurement, the wave function collapses to an eigenstate of the measurement operator. Which eigenstate is observed is random, with probability based on the corresponding eigenvalue. So the measurement process/wave function collapse is random. Admittedly it's been a long time since I've studied quantum mechanics! Has the thinking chang…

Yes, that's basically the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, and a perfectly valid way to interpret the math.

The Many Worlds interpretation doesn't have the collapse, it says that all the possibilities happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

> In contrast to some other interpretations, such as the Copenhagen interpretation, the evolution of reality as a whole in MWI is rigidly deterministic.

There's some wrinkles in that interpretation to preserve the Born rule of observed frequencies.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by senectus1 »

alephxyz wrote: post #61
vanusa wrote: post #34

He was a monster. Yeah, and it's even in a section of the website called "Big Yikes". Ok I get, pedophilia == bad. But my, aren't we being slowly trained to be hapless outrage porn junkies these days, by the continual barrage of manipulative trigger-articles like these.

If you want a more "sober" version, here's the relevant section from the Wikipedia article on him : >Schrödinger repeatedly sexually abused young women. "The poor things," Schrödinger wrote about the young women and girls he had sexually abused. "They have given me the moments of happiness in my life and themselves the sorrow. Such is life." Schrödinger recorded his sexual "conquests" in a diary he called "Ephemerida…

yeah this fits the description of a monster for me.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by oliwarner »

Article reads like it was written by a child who's just discovered adverbs, or at the very least is bring paid to promote them by Big Adverb.

The tone of those adverbs is also entirely unnecessary. We already understand: Child sex abuse isn't nice! You don't need to label his every action as diabolical, stomach-churning, and horrifying. Certainly not all within a few sentences of each other.

I hope this isn't the future of science writing.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by throw0101a »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #69
awillen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right up until your last sentence, which is totally wrong and illustrates another important thing people misunderstand - there is a difference between a pedophile and child molester. The age of consent is about consenting to sexual activity. A pedophile is someone who feels attraction. If you're a pedophile, that is, you feel attraction to young children, but you seek out treatment and never act on it, then yo…

> because pedophilia is a mental illness Is it? I wouldn't think it is any more of a mental illness than having a foot or rape fetish.

Yes?

> Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.[4] The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11) defines it as a "sustained, focused, and intense pattern of sexual arousal—as manifested by persistent sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours—involving pre-pubertal children."[6]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

> Pedophilic disorder is characterized by recurring, intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behavior involving children (usually 13 years old or younger).

* https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/mental-health-disorders/pa...

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

throw0101a wrote: post #96
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because pedophilia is a mental illness Is it? I wouldn't think it is any more of a mental illness than having a foot or rape fetish.

Yes? > Pedophilia is termed pedophilic disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), and the manual defines it as a paraphilia involving intense and recurrent sexual urges towards and fantasies about prepubescent children that have either been acted upon or which cause the person with the attraction distress or interpersonal difficulty.[4] The International Classification of Diseases…

Sure, if it causes intense distress or interpersonal difficulty then just about anything is a mental illness. For every person like that I'm sure there are many for whom it's just a fantasy that excites them to think about but they'd never actually act upon and isn't really a big deal. There are a lot of fantasies (not necessarily sexual ones) similarly enjoyed by mentally healthy people every day.
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