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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

jiveturkey42 wrote: post #547
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #545

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Oh, wait, now we're onto "it wasn't just the lockdowns. They set up the lockdowns knowing that some months later, they would inject billons of dollars into the economy in a way that would, GASP, benefit the already rich at least as much as the not-already-rich"? That's the claim now? Look, I get it, the "bailouts" distributed huge sums of money and lots of it went to people who, viewed through the lens of some sort o…

No, you're right. Everything happened exactly as the experts and fact-checkers said it did

That's not the (only) alternative to the paranoid style.

It's possible to believe that government (like all human institutions) can be deeply flawed and corrupt while simultaneously still doing things that in aggregate are beneficial to the whole of society.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

subsubzero wrote: post #532
rjbwork wrote: post #502

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In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…

I think some of these things ring true but you missed a few obvious ones, most of this stuff has been going on in California which is being governed into oblivion by its leaders: - California is getting very soft on crime recently, people now realize they can rob and steal what they want and there are zero consequences for it, this has lead to almost a complete collapse of order in most major california cities(see ex…

> - I traveled to multiple states over the last year(Hawaii, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Oregon) and this stuff is not happening everywhere, its mainly in CA and NYC and other high density urban areas.

You are claiming this isn't happening in those states, but especially New Mexico and Oregon, ... it is definitely happening in those states, so I question your experience with the other ones. Out of those, maybe Utah is not having those problems? Even as an island, Hawaii has had huge problems for decades, perhaps the worst (housing affordability, homelessness, rising crime rate).

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

uejfiweun wrote: post #546
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #542

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If someone on HN posts my example quote about flat earth theory, do you think that anyone is under an obligation to calmly explain just why flat earth theory is wrong? Of course, you could claim that flat earth theory is so disproven that there's no need to even bother, whereas "the lockdowns are to stop public unrest" theory might have something to it, so if I want to criticize it, I should explain all the evidence…

In the original comment you implied that the parent lacked critical thinking skills and mocked the idea that lockdowns even exist. I hope you can see how that is insulting, especially considering that in a later reply you said "The lockdowns have been hard, yes indeed". It kind of leads me to believe that you are the one arguing in bad faith here. And I am not saying you are "obligated" to do anything. What I am sayi…

I didn't mock the idea that lockdowns existed. I mocked the idea that they were of a nature that could possibly allow them to function as part of a cover up of the sort being claimed.

Lockdowns also took place in nations around the earth with entirely different economic and governmental systems to the US, so unless you're a believer in some sort of hidden global order that managed to get the Chinese, the Norwegians, the Germans and the US to all do more or less the same thing, then the existence of lockdowns seems to A LOT more to do with a virus than some cover up of contemporary capitalism.

There's a limit to how much politeness we need to extend to edge-dwelling ideas. Most people (not all, I know) on HN would include flat earth theory as stuff that doesn't require politeness (though perhaps a little sympathy ... I dunno). The question is where do you draw that line, and my POV, we already draw it far too close to people who have bad-faith reasons for proposing, publicizing and discussing a bunch of ideas.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by jiveturkey42 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #551
jiveturkey42 wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you're right. Everything happened exactly as the experts and fact-checkers said it did

That's not the (only) alternative to the paranoid style. It's possible to believe that government (like all human institutions) can be deeply flawed and corrupt while simultaneously still doing things that in aggregate are beneficial to the whole of society.

What was paranoid? It was a convenient way to move around trillions of dollars

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by drewwwwww »

ErikCorry wrote: post #322
drewwwwww wrote: post #277

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there has been no meaningful defunding of police in any major metropolitan area in california and no directive to not pursue property crime. police have not pursued property crime for decades. you are regurgitating authoritarian propaganda with no evidence.

> no directive to not pursue property crime. police have not pursued property crime for decades If there's no directive, why is property crime not pursued?

a century of propaganda has led everyone to think that the police spend a lot of effort 'solving' crimes, but a cursory look at clearance statistics will reveal otherwise.

to the extent that police are an effective anti-crime tool, it primarily stems from their physical presence (racially profiled harassment) as a deterrent. outside of homicides & some PR-useful drug enforcement, police departments spend most of their time discouraging people from filing police reports after actual crimes, harassing poor people, and meeting traffic citation quotas

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by yesenadam »

log4shelled wrote: post #357
buran77 wrote: post #157

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> Indeed. There's so much focus on short-term solutions for crime – even outside of the US. There's an old nugget that if anyone could time-travel they'd go back in time and kill Hitler. Nobody would go a few more years back to educate him. People are not educated to look at the big picture but to react in the moment. Stop the theft as it's happening. Shoot. This goes best with societies where taking a life is consid…

Hitler was significantly more educated than most modern progressives. From wikipedia: He read newspapers and pamphlets that published the thoughts of philosophers and theoreticians such as Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Charles Darwin, Friedrich Nietzsche, Gustave Le Bon and Arthur Schopenhauer. Georg Ritter von Schönerer became a major influence on Hitler. He also developed an admiration for Martin Luther. During his…

I take issue with every sentence you wrote. "Highly educated"? I don't think so. "Some of the authors" - you mean Nietzsche, I guess. It seems likely he didn't read Nietzsche's books, but just the bits quoted in (anti-semitic) newspapers. Check out Chamberlain and Schönerer. The first thing you notice is the strong Nazi-type flavour of their thoughts. Wagner and Luther are notorious for their extreme anti-semitism. That first wiki-sentence comes to "He read the paper". My understanding is, on the street corners and cafes of Vienna in those days were a dozen different half-nutty political groups, and Hitler took a bit from every one of them. The stuff was in the air, if you stopped to breathe it in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Ritter_von_Sch%C3%B6nere...

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

jiveturkey42 wrote: post #554
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the (only) alternative to the paranoid style. It's possible to believe that government (like all human institutions) can be deeply flawed and corrupt while simultaneously still doing things that in aggregate are beneficial to the whole of society.

What was paranoid? It was a convenient way to move around trillions of dollars

The vast majority of which was dispensed to US individuals via checks.

Did some of it go to places it should not have done? See my previous responses.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by uejfiweun »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #553
uejfiweun wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the original comment you implied that the parent lacked critical thinking skills and mocked the idea that lockdowns even exist. I hope you can see how that is insulting, especially considering that in a later reply you said "The lockdowns have been hard, yes indeed". It kind of leads me to believe that you are the one arguing in bad faith here. And I am not saying you are "obligated" to do anything. What I am sayi…

I didn't mock the idea that lockdowns existed. I mocked the idea that they were of a nature that could possibly allow them to function as part of a cover up of the sort being claimed. Lockdowns also took place in nations around the earth with entirely different economic and governmental systems to the US, so unless you're a believer in some sort of hidden global order that managed to get the Chinese, the Norwegians,…

Ok, fair enough. To be honest though, this quote that you just posted:

"Lockdowns also took place in nations around the earth with entirely different economic and governmental systems to the US, so unless you're a believer in some sort of hidden global order that managed to get the Chinese, the Norwegians, the Germans and the US to all do more or less the same thing, then the existence of lockdowns seems to A LOT more to do with a virus than some cover up of contemporary capitalism."

That makes a ton of sense and is a great argument! I wish you had replied to the original comment with this instead. I know you aren't arguing in bad faith, and I apologize for being a stickler on this.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by daedalus_f »

vidarh wrote: post #337
daedalus_f wrote: post #252

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It's aside your point, but you may be thinking of fentanyl rather than diamorphine (street name heroin) with regards to the NHS. The former is often used in NHS hospitals for intraoperative and postoperative pain relief, the latter almost never for anything.

No, I'm thinking of diamorphine. I'm not questioning that fentanyl is also used, but so is diamorphine, and the point was not that it is used a lot, but that it is used enough that we have reliable data on the cost of various doses of it. Here are some pages covering various uses by the NHS Most relevant to the point I made, here is a pricing page for diamorphine for the NHS[1]. Use during birth: [2] "This is an inje…

Well I stand corrected. I've only seen it prescribed under a home office license for treatment of addiction in a single case. Many of your examples seem to relate to paediatrics and maternity care which perhaps explains my ignorance as I work outside these areas.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by Rizz »

mngnt wrote: post #145
dusted wrote: post #102

My observation from the comment sections to this post-apocalyptic video is the following: People focusing on how to prevent the theft of these cars, funding police, armed guards on trans, better security. I think this is an interesting perspective, it's very "American", it's like it has been accepted by these commenters that rampant thievery is a perfectly natural part of life and so, must be worked around rather tha…

The cause is the same as it always has been: it is easier for some people to get to the desired standard of living by stealing/other crime than by working. Why crime us going up? Because of higher desired standard (every body needs an iPhone, brand name shoes and hats), more difficulty with earning a wage (largely, difficulty getting a job at all) and decreased difficulty in crime (defunding police, more aesily avail…

Is it crime or is protest? We all know Amazon will let its workers die in hurricanes, harass its workers until they commit suicide, not pay their workers a living wage, and all this while the big boss goes flying around in spaceships for fun. I'm sure a lot of the "criminals" rationalize their behavior by knowing that whatever they do it can't ever be as bad as what Amazon does, they're even doing justice by fighting back when no-one else does. I'm sure this is more about being Robin Hood than people being evil to their core.
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