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Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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>What strikes me about Thurrott’s tweet is that the two companies have attracted the writers they deserve. Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real. I can't believe that Gruber can write such self-satisfied tripe without more self-awareness. His quote is more true than he realizes - the incredible smugness o…

I took a look at Thurrott's site and was greeted with a big popover ad splatted across the page, so captain slate grey wins at least one point in the taste stakes.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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> "I simply wish to direct your attention at how utterly different the two companies are."

>"Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real"

What Gruber claims to understand, but actually doesn't, is that the Microsoft ecosystem is a very different beast than the Apple ecosystem. Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not control the entire vertical stack. They don't really have direct control over hardware or retail distribution (some notable exceptions - Xbox, Microsoft stores etc., but you know what I mean - it's nothing like Apple's top-down approach)

There are OEM's, partners, developers that need to get their hands on this technology - to test it, to ensure compatibility with existing platforms. There are IT admins that need to figure out how to start deploying this to their orgs.

Windows can't just launch a new OS 'when its done'. Secrecy is a very Apple approach, and it doesn't work for other companies that are reliant on many 3rd parties to complete their ecosystem. Yes, Apple is reliant on devs to write apps, but its not the same as needing hardware partners ot manufacture devices. Not saying that either approach is better, you just need to acknowledge in some cases, secrecy will work against you. Just look at the fallout over the whole Silverlight / HTML5 issue after All Things D

There's a reason that Windows initially won the application development battle with Mac OS, its because the company's commitment to backward compat, partners & developers is solid. Windows is built on a legacy of backward compatibility - Joel Spolsky has a fascinating article about this that explains things more eloquently than I can - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

>"Show me something real, I say. Look at Amazon. Everyone knows they’re building a tablet. What have they said, though? Nothing. What have they shown? Nothing. When will they say something? When it’s done. What will they show? Something real."

Amazon can afford to launch a new Kindle tablet in secrecy, because the 3rd party ecosystem is not a main part of the kindle. How many authors need to upgrade their books to support the new Kindle? Zero. Amazon will make sure of that. Content creators & publishers need to do nothing to support the new kindle. Amazon can afford to be secret, and is better off being secretive until it launches. It works for them in this case.

[Disclaimer: MSFT employee]

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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post #21

>What strikes me about Thurrott’s tweet is that the two companies have attracted the writers they deserve. Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real. I can't believe that Gruber can write such self-satisfied tripe without more self-awareness. His quote is more true than he realizes - the incredible smugness o…

I took a look at Thurrott's site and was greeted with a big popover ad splatted across the page, so captain slate grey wins at least one point in the taste stakes.

Only an apple fanboy can side with an opinion based on the color scheme and visual appearance of the site. :)

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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>What strikes me about Thurrott’s tweet is that the two companies have attracted the writers they deserve. Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real. I can't believe that Gruber can write such self-satisfied tripe without more self-awareness. His quote is more true than he realizes - the incredible smugness o…

Yes. I guess I missed the part where all of the attendees at build received a real working windows 8 tablet, running the real windows 8 preview/alpha/beta/whatever-we're-calling-it-these-days bits. Somehow that isn't _real_ in the way apple would do real, and thus not REALLY real.

According to sites like Arstechnica who have got to use the build for a while it has plenty of lock ups and hard crashes. Many features you saw demoed in the keynote are also not ready for release so they are not in the preview build either.

The point is, it's far being shippable, and if you can't ship it, it's not "real".

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a look at Thurrott's site and was greeted with a big popover ad splatted across the page, so captain slate grey wins at least one point in the taste stakes.

Only an apple fanboy can side with an opinion based on the color scheme and visual appearance of the site. :)

That's a mischaracterization of the statement you're responding to. Gruber and Thurott's sites are actually a neat microcosm of some trends that they also come down on opposite sides of. Gruber delivers content as a product to an audience. Thurott is delivering an audience, as a product, to advertisers.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a look at Thurrott's site and was greeted with a big popover ad splatted across the page, so captain slate grey wins at least one point in the taste stakes.

Only an apple fanboy can side with an opinion based on the color scheme and visual appearance of the site. :)

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Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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"I'm not passing judgment on which strategy is superior. But here is 6 more paragraphs about how Apple's way is superior" I am fascinated how much the same people who rail on about how strange it is when people don't understand the "Apple way" don't understand that there are also other ways. Beyond drama, what real advantage is given by releasing a product as soon as it is announced? For Apple, that secrecy and drama…

You also forgot the preceding six paragraphs of snide comments and bloviated opinion beating.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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At least Gruber is rightfully giving props to Microsoft for the very original UI. Every time I see anything Metro based I'm struck at what a breath of fresh air it is in mobile.

And that coming from an apple fanboy loke Gruber means a lot to the new Metro design language.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I guess I missed the part where all of the attendees at build received a real working windows 8 tablet, running the real windows 8 preview/alpha/beta/whatever-we're-calling-it-these-days bits. Somehow that isn't _real_ in the way apple would do real, and thus not REALLY real.

According to sites like Arstechnica who have got to use the build for a while it has plenty of lock ups and hard crashes. Many features you saw demoed in the keynote are also not ready for release so they are not in the preview build either. The point is, it's far being shippable, and if you can't ship it, it's not "real".

that's not any different from when Apple released developer previews of Lion and iOS5. Are we seriously arguing over the 'finished' state of a developer build? Really?

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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The Metro UI is great, but the hardware on the market isn't exactly stellar (compared to iOS/Android offerings). If I were Microsoft, I'd be worried about something similar happening in the tablet market. How are they going to stand out in non-traditional PC markets?

You are right. When you buy a phone by the processor speed or the memory it has but if you look at the end product the phone is as impressive as any other out there. Particularly with the new mango update that is rumoured to release soon.
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