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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Is a majority of a minority allowed under your scheme? After all, a substantial majority of Republicans continue to believe that the 2020 election was "stolen"; Republicans are a minority of Americans. Can the media in your wish-world report on this?

> After all, a substantial majority of Republicans continue to believe that the 2020 election was "stolen" And your basis for this "fact" is? The media? Do you actually talk to average Republicans, or only the ones who like media exposure? Out here in the real world only a minority of Republicans believe this, but it's a vocal minority, who love the media exposure. You are a victim of exactly what I'm advocating agai…

Since I cannot talk to a large number of Republicans (or Democrats), I prefer to let opinion polls do that for me. Reuters/Ipsos would not appear to have a particular axe to grind on this issue, and as of May of 2021, they had the number at about 53% (they also document their methodology and questions etc.) A more recent poll by the Univ of Mass in Dec 2021 puts the number at 71%.

If you're going to cast "all media" as untrustworthy, then you're doomed to only know the world through your own senses. Yes, there are concerns about the accuracy of polling, for a number of reasons that include partisan response to polling in general. But I'm not prepared to say something like "well, the Republicans I know ...", because there's no possible way for my personal experience of any group (Republicans or not) is sufficient for me to draw any conclusions.

I would have thought that the combination of UMass and Ipsos was reasonably neutral enough that more or less anyone could agree on the claim "a majority of Republicans believe that Joe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 presidential election". Apparently not ....

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Kind of related : America Is Falling Apart at the Seams https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/opinion/america-falling-a... A loss of civic sense and cultural criminality are incredibly hard to weed out of a population, once it has taken root. I worry that the a mix of pessimism and a loss of civic sense is sending non-elite America into a death spiral. Opponents of return-to-normalcy claim that these are temporary and a…

In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…

I think some of these things ring true but you missed a few obvious ones, most of this stuff has been going on in California which is being governed into oblivion by its leaders:

- California is getting very soft on crime recently, people now realize they can rob and steal what they want and there are zero consequences for it, this has lead to almost a complete collapse of order in most major california cities(see excessive smash and grabs($1B stolen in a few weeks in LA/SF bay area) and skyrocketing drug use(SF has more addicts than high school students) and homelessness, along with car jackings and robberies). I live in california and my family has been here for over a hundred years so I have seen its rapid deterioration in the past 3-4 years.

- Complete abandonment of any type of positive morality from the media or any leaders.

- Extreme division due to both right and left moving farther from the center.

- Sky high college costs have made things very difficult for people that are in college and those leaving the system are left with life crushing debt.

- Housing and rent are at all time highs due to excessive money printing and over generous govt. handouts the past 1-2 years.

- Jobs are available and are plentiful there are just not enough workers for the positions or qualified people for the higher earning ones, in addition alot of people were making more sitting around getting checks and enhanced unemployment than working at the lower wage positions.

- I traveled to multiple states over the last year(Hawaii, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Oregon) and this stuff is not happening everywhere, its mainly in CA and NYC and other high density urban areas.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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It also reminds me of certain episodes of the The History of Rome and The History of Byzantium podcasts where they depict the collapse of complex systems when the breakdown of security occurred. During times when Roman security was good - the economy could develop complex systems of trade, which developed coinage, mathematics, architecture, and all sorts of specialists and artisans. When security was no longer reliab…

> hoards of barbarians you mean the citizens of neighbouring states (mainly nowadays france and germany) that refused to be colonized/enslaved?

IIRC, the earliest Rus strong men were Vikings bought off by Byzantine emperors, changing them from raiders into gatekeepers.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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This is a very insulting comment, and seems to have been prompted by practically nothing at all. I'd urge you to consider how your condescending attitude appears to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I generally try not to be condescending, and seek to take seriously the opinions of people who do not agree with me. However ...

> And that ... Theory about the lockdowns supposedly not being because of the virus but to hide a larger financial crisis/weath reallocation is spreading quite quickly at least at far as I can tell.

to even mention this "theory" as if it had any credibility whatsoever crosses a line where I'm not willing to cede good faith, sensible thinking etc., and can only react with dismissal and condescension.

"And that ... Theory about the earth not really being round but actually flat but the illuminati prefer that we think it is round because reasons ..." is in the same ballpark.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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The conditions are ORed, not ANDed: Whoever, in any Territory or District, OR within or upon any place within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States (Capitalisation for emphasis by me.) The crime depicted is a federal one under US law.

A State is also not a Territory or a District.

Hrm...

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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I'm not sure how good your reading comprehension generally is, but at least in this case you've clearly misinterpreted what I've written there.

You wrote (full sentence):

> And that ... Theory about the lockdowns supposedly not being because of the virus but to hide a larger financial crisis/weath reallocation is spreading quite quickly at least at far as I can tell.

Maybe you think you can mention "that ... theory" without endorsing it in any way. I say that even mentioning this completely bogus garbage in a way that doesn't say that it's completely bogus garbage is effectively endorsing it. That's just the way communication systems work, unfortunately.

I'm not implying that you believe "that ... theory". I am saying that it's essentially insane, has no credibility, and is spreading only because people mention it in this sort of "offhand" way ("oh, I didn't mean anything").

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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And that ... Theory about the lockdowns supposedly not being because of the virus but to hide a larger financial crisis/weath reallocation is spreading quite quickly at least at far as I can tell. That's not going to reduce tensions in that regard, that's for sure. There is only circumstantial evidence but the story sounds plausible. If things continue like this, I'd wager that trump will return in 24

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Really disappointed by this comment, totally uncalled for and extremely disrespectful, and in case you were living on the moon the lockdowns have been very hard on alot of people, see skyrocketing suicide and overdose numbers from these actions.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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This is a very insulting comment, and seems to have been prompted by practically nothing at all. I'd urge you to consider how your condescending attitude appears to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I generally try not to be condescending, and seek to take seriously the opinions of people who do not agree with me. However ... > And that ... Theory about the lockdowns supposedly not being because of the virus but to hide a larger financial crisis/weath reallocation is spreading quite quickly at least at far as I can tell. to even mention this "theory" as if it had any credibility whatsoever crosses a line where I…

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Re: Train burglaries in LA

#539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very insulting comment, and seems to have been prompted by practically nothing at all. I'd urge you to consider how your condescending attitude appears to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I generally try not to be condescending, and seek to take seriously the opinions of people who do not agree with me. However ... > And that ... Theory about the lockdowns supposedly not being because of the virus but to hide a larger financial crisis/weath reallocation is spreading quite quickly at least at far as I can tell. to even mention this "theory" as if it had any credibility whatsoever crosses a line where I…

I think you need to get your knee jerk reactions under control. Just because someone says something that seems outrageous to you doesn't mean you should just jump directly to insults. Moreover, the parent comment did not endorse this theory, it merely noted that the theory "is spreading quite quickly... as far as I can tell".

If you're interested in debunking the parent comment, perhaps reading it carefully and responding to the points would work better. This could potentially open people's eyes and even make them agree with you. Instead you have opted to go for divisive insults, which likely reinforces the belief of anyone who is inclined to disagree with you.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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It is surreal to see this in a country where the police and “justice” system is extremely trigger happy and wants to lock everyone up for any reason they can get away with.

They're two aspects of the exact same problem. Stopping and prosecuting real crime, while preserving the rights of the innocent, is a very difficult job. When police are criticized for failure in one aspect, they respond by closing ranks and doing even less of the other aspect. Criticize the level of crime and they respond by finding some easy targets to round up and pin charges on. Criticize their overreach, and they respond with a working strike and lawless police riots.

Succumbing to individual incentives, it's easier to focus on easier-to-handle perps and conduct organized militaryesque "operations"... just like it's easier to run roughshod over the rights of the accused by assuming they're guilty and doling out extrajudicial punishment. Neither one means doing their job better.

Ultimately it's a complete failure of accountability. Accountability of police organizations to their employers, the community, to effectively do what they are deputized to do. As well as the failure to bind police under the overarching law, both civil and criminal, like everyone else. The problem is not deep set and everywhere, but rather distributed because we're only seeing the cherry picked worst examples of both sides. But we need to seriously up our systems of accountability if anybody is going to have any faith in our institutions going forward.

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