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Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by MartinCron »

Joel, serious question, if you're listening.

In the blog post, you mention that these teams are adopting the Lean Startup philosophy of ship early and ship often. Does that mean that you've softened on the "never ever write any code without a spec" dogma from "the Joel Test"?

I've personally found that when you're doing tight iterations and continuous deployment, writing old-school spec documents feels, well, old-school.

If I can go straight from human conversation w/ whiteboard sketches to working, tested code running on production servers without creating intermediate written documents, I think I'm winning.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by spolsky »

mattmanser wrote: post #45

Interestingly doesn't work in IE8... Only found out because I wanted to view the source and it failed in Chrome so tried IE (turned out view source failed because of the load on the server atm). Joel, btw, the favicon's missing, it's explicitly referenced in the source but returns a 404. EDIT: Forgot to say like the look of it, good job.

Thanks for the nice words! I'm not sure about IE8, but, this being a new product, I specifically told the team not to worry about any non-current browsers. By the time this product hits its stride, IE14 will be shipping.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by jjg »

nyrulez wrote: post #18

Looks pretty awesome in my 5 min trial. Back of the card is very well done. This will could go way beyond the software crowd to a general organization app..I just hope this thing scales well and they clarify their upload limits and such. Edit 1: I tried their iPhone app and it's very far from their web interface - took me 6-7 clicks just to get to a checklist for one of the items. It's commendable that they have a ap…

An update was just approved in the App Store tonight, so look out for that. More updates are planned in the coming weeks too.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by spolsky »

MartinCron wrote: post #61

Joel, serious question, if you're listening. In the blog post, you mention that these teams are adopting the Lean Startup philosophy of ship early and ship often. Does that mean that you've softened on the "never ever write any code without a spec" dogma from "the Joel Test"? I've personally found that when you're doing tight iterations and continuous deployment, writing old-school spec documents feels, well, old-sch…

It's more complicated than that, and it's hard to answer here.

Basically -- if you're building something big and complicated and you should know exactly how it's going to work, a big written spec really helps.

If you're building something brand new, a startup, or a crazy idea that you need to test quickly and iterate, you should use lots of little specs. It's ok if the specs aren't so fancy... a detailed map of what goes on the screen and what everything does is probably fine. It's ideal if you write lots of small specs for each small feature ("user story") right before you implement them and roll them out.

I just don't like the idea of typing code when you haven't thought through what it's supposed to do (in a disciplined way). Doing specs in small quick chunks, then writing code, is probably the best approach for lean/agile startup teams that don't yet have customer/product fit.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by erikpukinskis »

MartinCron wrote: post #61

Joel, serious question, if you're listening. In the blog post, you mention that these teams are adopting the Lean Startup philosophy of ship early and ship often. Does that mean that you've softened on the "never ever write any code without a spec" dogma from "the Joel Test"? I've personally found that when you're doing tight iterations and continuous deployment, writing old-school spec documents feels, well, old-sch…

It could just be a very limited spec.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by bobbygrace »

jashkenas wrote: post #38

Sniffing around the source, looks like a Backbone.js app -- cheers. I'd love to add it to the homepage as an example, if you want to email me a brief paragraph of description. Edit For those poking around, check out the top-level "Models" namespace.

Thanks! Here's the pitch.

Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. The site was built ground up using backbone.js for all models, views, and routes.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by spolsky »

mkopinsky wrote: post #37
shneusk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apply labels by hovering over a card and hitting a number key

Cool, but if it ain't documented, it don't exist. (I guess now it's documented in this HN comment. :-))

Pretty sure this feature is in the online help, along with lots of other cool tricks
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