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Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by m3047 »

deltaonefour wrote: post #61
diob wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the old generation really bought into this, but the new generation knows it's a load of bull. The poll makes it pretty obvious that compensation is the biggest reason folks leave, and it's the thinking of the old generation who doesn't know how to retain talent (they do, but they keep throwing pizza parties / sending out merch instead). It's a real "it can't be helped" mentality around retention.

The poll is messing with your way of thinking. Look at the poll and think on this statement: "The majority of people leave a company because they are unsatisfied, not because of compensation." The poll statistically verifies the above statement as true. Its just divided in a way that makes you think compensation is the main reason. Still what the poll does show is that compensation is a significant factor, more than…

"Compensation" needs to be unpacked. It includes healthcare, contractual and scheduling freedom to pursue side projects, and company sponsored and encouraged opportunities for self-investment in skills and learning. Most of those "other" things are nontaxable.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by manuelabeledo »

chasd00 wrote: post #345
manuelabeledo wrote: post #341

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> I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work [...] I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't budge. My position exactly. I won't be leaving my company, but I will be transitioning to a more defined role in a different department. Didn't sit too well with my current manager. He told me that I couldn't…

> He told me that I couldn't just leave like that. isn't the answer to that question "take it up with HR"? that was very gracious of you to even offer an 80/20 arrangement. Ironically, i bet HR would have a hard time with an 80/20 dual role setup.

> Ironically, i bet HR would have a hard time with an 80/20 dual role setup.

I guess I thought I did my best to avoid burning any bridges, but I was actually bargaining against myself.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by rgj »

xibalba wrote: post #105
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #9

My old boss Eric Carlsen used to say, nobody left because of money. They may get more money if they change jobs. But they start looking because they're unhappy. So when somebody asked for more money, he'd start by asking what was bothering them.

A former boss of mine said something similar: "People don't quit a company, they quit their manager."

I had an employee who used to tell me: “there are only two people in my life that I have explicitly chosen to be with: my wife - and you”

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by Osiris »

daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

Employers make the mistake of seeing employees as a cost center instead of as revenue generators.

I recently finished a leadership class and the primary focus was on treating employees as people / human. This perspective makes it possible to make decisions that make for happy employees which, in turn, makes for more productive employees.

Employers that focus solely on cost are missing the forest for the trees; it's extremely short sighted.

I now work for a DAO in which decisions are made by "the community" (those with tokens have voting power). Not having a traditional leadership structure has been so liberating. Everything is fully transparent.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by car »

daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

"People don't leave companies, they leave managers."

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by robertlagrant »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #269
ghaff wrote: post #168

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Having a BATNA that you're perfectly fine doing takes a huge amount of pressure off in a negotiation.

I feel like I can always replace “BATNA” with “alternative” or “option” and the statement conveys the same information.

People like secret words that show they're in a certain group. It's called PLSWTSTIACG.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by robertlagrant »

mathattack wrote: post #128
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

Giving raises and promotions only when people have outside offers invents awful behavior all around. Yet so many companies do this “just this one time…”

Yes. Incentivising looking for other jobs instead of performing well.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by chris11 »

strgcmc wrote: post #339
steveBK123 wrote: post #266

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Too many roles / too many hats is far too common and why I find it hard to stay anywhere more than 4-5 years. As a senior IC in a super-flat & growing org.. I'm almost like a customer successs engineer, product manager, scrum master, senior developer and tech lead all rolled into one. Management administrivia I accumulate administrative things my manager doesn't want to do & pushes down I do unofficially own a part o…

TBH, reading this as a manager, I have to admit I feel like asking my engineers to take on SOME of these beyond-just-the-code duties... is a good thing? Obviously there are a bunch of caveats, and nuances to whether you want an IC engineer to be 100% coding and 0% talking to customers or doing admin (this seems bad), or is it 90% vs 10% (maybe okay), or 80/20 (sweet spot?), 50/50 (concerning), 20/80 (bad again), etc.…

Same. As an IC I like ownership. I'd be fine with most of that list assuming it was related to something I owned. I may not specifically like some task, but I'm fine doing it if it's because I'm the person responsible for something.

The biggest issue I would have with that list is the description of the scrum setup, and being directly assigned tickets. I find it more engaging if I'm given or find bigger problems to solve, completing individual tickets isn't as interesting.

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