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Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by manuelabeledo »

daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

> I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work [...] I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't budge.

My position exactly.

I won't be leaving my company, but I will be transitioning to a more defined role in a different department. Didn't sit too well with my current manager. He told me that I couldn't just leave like that. I offered him a 80/20 arrangement, and he didn't like it either.

I'll be transitioning anyway. It's just a bit bizarre that a manager would potentially alienate someone who seems to be indispensable for the operation.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by casralad »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #9

My old boss Eric Carlsen used to say, nobody left because of money. They may get more money if they change jobs. But they start looking because they're unhappy. So when somebody asked for more money, he'd start by asking what was bothering them.

I worked at a very large corporation that had a pay freeze for years. I didn't leave because of money, I just worked less each year. After more than five years of being underpaid, I was working only a few hours a week. Eventually I got laid off, decent severance. I miss all the spare time I had.

I love my current job, but there will come a time when they are no longer willing to increase my pay above inflation (I suspect this year will be a test), and when that happens, I'll leave.

Money is the only reason I'm here. Shockingly, I can keep myself occupied and amused without scrum, a non-technical manager, or Jira tickets.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by _ah »

citizenpaul wrote: post #321
ericmcer wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been surprised how emotionally unaware many of my managers are. They are engineers who moved to management and seem to think reading a bunch of books on management will make them adept at the social skills needed to read and adapt to individuals and a teams emotional state. Compensation is huge but good software devs are all making enough to where a 20-30% swing in either direction isn't going to make or break…

20-30% ?? What kind of money are you assuming most people make. at anything over 100k a year that is a lot of extra money anything less and it is probably needed. It could simply be used to retire a few years earlier if nothing else. It could pay for vacation. It could pay off a vehicle. It could pay down a mortgage or appraisal gap in this market. A 20% raise is huge at any income level.

Except that it isn't.

Assume you are a superstar of some persuasion and you earn $100M/yr. Is a 20% raise a lot of money? It's not! Sure, it's an extra twenty million dollars, but what could you possibly want to buy with that money that you can't already purchase?

At some point $100k --> $100M the math changes. That point will be different for different people.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by edgriebel »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #78
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

When the worker has another offer in hand, you've already lost as a hiring manager/org.

^^^^ yes! Your worker already has one foot out the door and has seen the greener grass outside the door. Is it really greener? Probably not but will be to them!

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by chasd00 »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #341
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

> I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work [...] I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't budge. My position exactly. I won't be leaving my company, but I will be transitioning to a more defined role in a different department. Didn't sit too well with my current manager. He told me that I couldn't…

> He told me that I couldn't just leave like that.

isn't the answer to that question "take it up with HR"? that was very gracious of you to even offer an 80/20 arrangement. Ironically, i bet HR would have a hard time with an 80/20 dual role setup.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by reedjosh »

simplestats wrote: post #333
reedjosh wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't agree more! Then add to that the fact that you're taxed on `gains` for investment. So buy an ounce of gold. 1 year later sell it for 6% more than you paid. Cool, beat inflation right? Well, no because now you pay capital gains on something that isn't really worth more than when you bought it. Inflation _is_ a tax... > govt policies backfiring Yeah sure, they're `backfiring`...

I was being a little generous, yes. I wonder if that's what is triggering people. The stated goal of govt seems to be low (but positive) levels of inflation and high growth. The current situation with high inflation and low interest rates makes even tax-free govt bonds undesirable. And they will need to raise rates. So I'd say policies are backfiring, yes.

Yeah, I don't get the downvotes. It's worse that they won't reply why either. At least converse when you are in disagreement.

> The stated goal of govt seems to be low (but positive) levels of inflation and high growth.

Yes, and I disagree with that position too, but people are taught Keynesian economics, so even beginning to unfurl that mess is asking for a downvote storm.

The same people that will argue inflation is beneficial for growth tend to believe they are also open minded, free thinking, and well `educated`. It makes for a difficult argument often resulting in a lot of pointing to `authorities` on the matter.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by nathanaldensr »

thebeefytaco wrote: post #223

Why wouldn't you list vax mandates and general covid policies as responses?

I'm curious about this, as well. In fact, I have 17 days left before I'm placed on unpaid leave for this very reason--despite being 100% remote and the coercion and adverse actions being violations of my state's employment law.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by lordnacho »

citizenpaul wrote: post #321
ericmcer wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been surprised how emotionally unaware many of my managers are. They are engineers who moved to management and seem to think reading a bunch of books on management will make them adept at the social skills needed to read and adapt to individuals and a teams emotional state. Compensation is huge but good software devs are all making enough to where a 20-30% swing in either direction isn't going to make or break…

20-30% ?? What kind of money are you assuming most people make. at anything over 100k a year that is a lot of extra money anything less and it is probably needed. It could simply be used to retire a few years earlier if nothing else. It could pay for vacation. It could pay off a vehicle. It could pay down a mortgage or appraisal gap in this market. A 20% raise is huge at any income level.

Surely in the higher income brackets the tax on it brings down the net considerably?

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by hsn915 »

I'm not leaving my job yet, but strongly thinking about doing it in the near future.

The reason is simple: I am not employable.

I mean that in a good way.

I hate being an employee. I hate having to go by the rules that other people make up even though I strongly disagree with. I hate being in an industry that does not share my engineering values.

So to that end, I voted "company culture" on this pool.

More importantly, I want to create things of value.

All the jobs I've worked so far have been bullshit jobs. The thing I'm paid to make ultimately does not provide any real value to society - sometimes it provides negative value.

And, I want to set an example to my children: don't be an employee, and don't strive to be one.

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