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Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by sodapopcan »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #9

My old boss Eric Carlsen used to say, nobody left because of money. They may get more money if they change jobs. But they start looking because they're unhappy. So when somebody asked for more money, he'd start by asking what was bothering them.

I recently left because of money. I loved where I was at but I'm 40, I don't have a partner, and I want to buy a house already. I'm Canadian and got a job with a US company which worked out to be an almost 50% increase, so nothing they really could have done, unfortunately.

Well, I also really wanted to write Elixir professionally, and now I am! :) So it's not 100% true that it was all about the money.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by Hoasi »

xibalba wrote: post #101
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

Beautiful. I remember hearing it said that if you're not willing to walk away completely from a negotiation, you have zero actual leverage. Bravo!

Always be ready to leave the table first.

It doesn’t mean that you will; it doesn’t mean that you should. It means you are prepared. And this can be a huge advantage.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by Jemaclus »

pram wrote: post #226
Jemaclus wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the tech industry, I'd generally recommend looking around every 3-4 years, unless you have golden handcuffs and you don't think that can be beat elsewhere. Any longer than that and you risk settling into a box of which you may become unable to think outside. Any shorter than that, and you probably aren't maximizing your potential, in terms of promotions and learning those fresh perspectives and new tech that will…

It can be more than just golden handcuffs. If you stay at a place for 4+ years you hopefully have a lot of clout and connections. That kind of situation can get pretty comfy. Starting all over again kinda sucks. The older I get the less I look forward to doing the hustle to gain cred in new orgs.

Definitely. You're not wrong. But one of the downsides of sticking around for 4+ years is, like I said, there is a _risk of_ (ie, not guaranteed) becoming kind of a stick in the mud and the company then could suffer from your leadership/clout rather than benefiting from it. I've worked at several companies where the leadership had been there for 8+ years, and that led to inertia and small-C conservatism and reluctance to adopt new technologies or paradigms that would really accelerate company growth. The companies were generally successful, but working there was kind of a slog and it was tough to attract new engineers to work on old tech in outdated paradigms. That said, there are plenty of folks who _like_ the old tech, so it's not necessarily a deal-breaker for anyone.

All that to say: you aren't wrong. If you're in that position and you don't want to leave, that's really the company's problem and not yours. Do your own thing! I support it 100%! (Not that you need my support, but you have it anyway!)

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by anonymouswacker »

The organization lost my respect once they mandated that I get a health procedure in order to work for them. I received an "exemption", but the damage was done: I no longer believe the organization is a net positive for me because they will play political games, and I am just a pawn.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by davewritescode »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #113
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

I'm in the same situation but I don't really know what to do. I've been trying to extricate myself from a lot of stuff but the way things are structured it doesn't seem like I'm going to be able to just focus on one role. It looks like a lot of openings are offering a fair amount more than my current salary as well. The only thing holding me back at the moment is that I really like the people I work with.

In the same boat, I think this is something that's going on everywhere because of the market. I love the people but I'm spread so thin something is eventually going to explode.

I've basically given myself another year

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

shuntress wrote: post #244
jokethrowaway wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to justify with management. Instead saying "X left, we need extra budget to replace it" will often work. It's idiotic and expensive for the company but what can you do.

Here's what you can do: Hold and express sincere trust in and appreciation of your employees.

Sincere trust and appreciation doesn't make my retirement any closer. Show your appreciation with cash.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by motorist_hacker »

notch656a wrote: post #110
aprdm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is making 150/hour and owns a house as a dev in Canada ? Nobody that works for Canadian companies that’s for sure

I thought Canadian houses were purely to be investment vehicles for foreign speculators. Canadians actually live in homes they own?

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