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Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by artificialLimbs »

newsbinator wrote: post #211
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

> I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made I don't hint because it's too confusing. I try to very politely offer options, where one option is me looking for another opportunity. It's not as though it's a secret to either party that's always an option.

This.

Employer might not have even known quitting was on the table if there is only a hint. Be bold and direct to reduce miscommunication and you'll be the one standing with integrity.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by titanomachy »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #108
aprdm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is making 150/hour and owns a house as a dev in Canada ? Nobody that works for Canadian companies that’s for sure

Yes, if you live in Canada and work remotely for a US company.

In that case, you've likely already optimized for compensation, so it makes sense that it would be less of a factor in your next move.

US companies pay 2-3x as much at the top end (if you relocate, probably less for remote). With that kind of gap it's pretty hard for pay not to be a major factor.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by Maximus9000 »

baskethead wrote: post #45
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #9

My old boss Eric Carlsen used to say, nobody left because of money. They may get more money if they change jobs. But they start looking because they're unhappy. So when somebody asked for more money, he'd start by asking what was bothering them.

I've left jobs I was happy at for more 20% more money. And ended up just as happy.

Me too. I left for 25% more money. I'm also still just as happy. Both my new company and old company are excellent places to work.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by ghaff »

alex_anglin wrote: post #144
xibalba wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beautiful. I remember hearing it said that if you're not willing to walk away completely from a negotiation, you have zero actual leverage. Bravo!

Negotiating courses often refer to this as the BATNA (best alternative to a negotiated agreement). Considering what that scenario is and having it as your bottom line is the best piece of advice they impart.

Haven't looked at it in years but I remember Getting to Yes as being a great little book on negotiation. Maybe there are better books out there but I found it a good place to start.

There are a number of other things in there too. For example, you may not have the same priorities as the person you're negotiating with.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by artificialLimbs »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #113
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

I'm in the same situation but I don't really know what to do. I've been trying to extricate myself from a lot of stuff but the way things are structured it doesn't seem like I'm going to be able to just focus on one role. It looks like a lot of openings are offering a fair amount more than my current salary as well. The only thing holding me back at the moment is that I really like the people I work with.

>> I really like the people I work with.

Quality of life can be a considerable part of compensation, imo.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by tonmoy »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #9

My old boss Eric Carlsen used to say, nobody left because of money. They may get more money if they change jobs. But they start looking because they're unhappy. So when somebody asked for more money, he'd start by asking what was bothering them.

That doesn’t make any sense for my case. I always kept talking with recruiters just to see what’s available and as soon as there was a chance for a significant raise I took it

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by dumbfounder »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #156
dumbfounder wrote: post #33

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This. It's a different game right now. As an employer it's very hard to take everyone's salary up 20% because that's what they might get elsewhere. So you don't. So people leave. But this won't last forever.

Ha. I've heard that for 20 years. And as an employer I don't see it ending soon. There's a boom right now, for sure, and wages are up, but I heard that in 2000 too. There was a slightly drop for a year or 2, but it's been steady upwards movement since then.

Steady growth is fine. The growth is not steady as of late, things have spiked in short order.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by daenz »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #231
newsbinator wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made I don't hint because it's too confusing. I try to very politely offer options, where one option is me looking for another opportunity. It's not as though it's a secret to either party that's always an option.

This. Employer might not have even known quitting was on the table if there is only a hint. Be bold and direct to reduce miscommunication and you'll be the one standing with integrity.

To be specific about what my hint was, I said "it doesn't make sense to me that the company would be willing to lose me over letting me go down to 4 days." I'm fairly certain my point came across clearly, but my guess is that he thought I was bluffing.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by sumtechguy »

matheweis wrote: post #149
foobarian wrote: post #118

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Why would you pay off your house when you can keep the cash in an investment account making > 5% APR vs. the house loan which presumably is in the low 3s.

What investment can reliably get > 5% APR with low risk?

I paid mine off years ago. I got the same thing then. "Name me one investment I can put this 100k into that will pay 1500 a month". That is closer to 15% per year...
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