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Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by beepbooptheory »

_moof wrote: post #43
ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

The most charitable hypothesis here is just libertarianism I think, especially because of its ideological prevalence in this crowd.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by xboxnolifes »

_moof wrote: post #43
ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

Honestly, my only gripe is conflating pedophilia and child abuse. One can be both a pedophile and a child abuser, but the first doesn't imply the other. Or maybe I'm just lamenting over another word losing a useful distinction in modern usage.

Either way, it would seem in this case it may be both.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by oldstrangers »

ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

There's always someone with an extensive understanding of age of consent laws ready to chime in and explain why this particular case of abusing and exploiting children isn't weird.

Why? This isn't an intellectual debate. We don't need to understand the severity of different types of exploitation to understand that Schrödinger's love for a 12 year old child is heinous.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by forclarity »

champagnois wrote: post #40

There is always a risk of attempted out-of-context cancellation for people who attempt to discuss the quirks of philosophy, law, or policy regarding taboo subjects. I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case. While I cannot defend what RMS may have said just as I cannot defend what Schrodinger may have don…

> I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case.

If you mean https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scient..., please note that that article misconstrues what was said.

Both the headline and the article claim that Stallman said Giuffre was "entirely willing;" a read of the provided emails shows otherwise. He said that she probably appeared to Minsky to be "entirely willing;" that Minsky would have been unaware of coercion, not that there was none.

There are absolutely things to object to in what he said, but we should be objecting to what he said, not the words some (apparently) shoddy journalists are putting in his mouth.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by eesmith »

ptsneves wrote: post #59
eesmith wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, many of them go back to the same primary source. But the [42] you mention seems entirely on point, eg, with 'That was a mistake, Humphreys admitted three weeks ago: "The evidence was obvious," he wrote. "Schrödinger was a serial abuser." ' That's certainly enough to suspect that this is not meant to interpret a cultural difference in the age of consent as pedophilia, but is actually the "the evilness of a terrib…

The original article Irish Times articles is not even available without a paywall, yet it is quoted by the topic of this argument without further evidence. Great claims require, great evidence, especially on such a delicate topic. If a household scientific name will be judged as pedophile, so be it! But please, get historians and primary source evidence; not a newspaper article behind a paywal. The sentence you quote…

> especially on such a delicate topic

Which is why jumping to the hypothesis that it was an age-of-consent issue is surely premature.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by kaba0 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #69
awillen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right up until your last sentence, which is totally wrong and illustrates another important thing people misunderstand - there is a difference between a pedophile and child molester. The age of consent is about consenting to sexual activity. A pedophile is someone who feels attraction. If you're a pedophile, that is, you feel attraction to young children, but you seek out treatment and never act on it, then yo…

> because pedophilia is a mental illness Is it? I wouldn't think it is any more of a mental illness than having a foot or rape fetish.

It is pretty culturally determined what constitutes mental illness. The underlying cause might not be more different to foot fetish, maybe even treatment is similar.

One is just morally not questionable.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by dpark »

rdevsrex wrote: post #51

While adults abusing underage children is deeply disturbing to us, morality is a shifting metric that can change very fast, while biology doesn't moves much slower. Whatever reason some people are attracted to children, is hard wired into them. It shouldn't be a surprise anymore that some percent of people are like this. That's why I would never allow my daughter to be in the room alone with another adult man. You ju…

> That's why I would never allow my daughter to be in the room alone with another adult man. You just can't trust people.

No one? There are some terrible people out there who hide it really well, but this seems like a terrible way to live.

Why even have kids if this is how you feel about humanity?

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by Grieving »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #71
_moof wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

The most charitable hypothesis here is just libertarianism I think, especially because of its ideological prevalence in this crowd.

There's a libertarian-socialist horseshoe on age of consent laws. The more ideological one becomes, the more passionate they are about lowering the age and distinguishing between the different paraphilias relating to sex with minors. At this point I assume that all political theories are invented to justify their proponents' sexual desires.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by dragonwriter »

Grieving wrote: post #78
beepbooptheory wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most charitable hypothesis here is just libertarianism I think, especially because of its ideological prevalence in this crowd.

There's a libertarian-socialist horseshoe on age of consent laws. The more ideological one becomes, the more passionate they are about lowering the age and distinguishing between the different paraphilias relating to sex with minors. At this point I assume that all political theories are invented to justify their proponents' sexual desires.

> There's a libertarian-socialist horseshoe on age of consent laws.

Not really.

First, because “libertarian” and “socialist” aren't opposing poles (libertarian socialism is a thing), and, second, because non-libertarian socialists aren't particularly against (or for reducing the age set in) age of consent laws. And, third, even anarchists, who are the polar extreme of libertarian socialist tend to support age of consent laws, there only consistent opposition to current ones is, as with other laws of current societies, objection to the structural basis on which they are made and enforced, content of the laws aside.

EDIT: Similar things may also be true of libertarians not being as anti-age-of-consent as portrayed as I have noted about socialists; I have had somewhat more contact with broad leftist communities than broad libertarian ones outside of their overlap, so I may be more susceptible to misestimating the prevalence of certain views in the libertarian community because they are highly visible when espoused because of how transgressive they are.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by champagnois »

forclarity wrote: post #74
champagnois wrote: post #40

There is always a risk of attempted out-of-context cancellation for people who attempt to discuss the quirks of philosophy, law, or policy regarding taboo subjects. I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case. While I cannot defend what RMS may have said just as I cannot defend what Schrodinger may have don…

> I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case. If you mean https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scient... , please note that that article misconstrues what was said. Both the headline and the article claim that Stallman said Giuffre was "entirely willing;" a read of the provided emails show…

The bigger picture was that these moral crusades create an environment in which few are willing to openly discuss the facts, what lines are crossed, their thoughts on those lines, etc.

I abstain from defending RMS, but it is amazing to me how damaging these moral crusades are. I wonder if my feelings currently are similar to those of the public audience during a witch trial. If the imaginary members of the audience stood up to say that the witchness is a bit absurd, they too would be accused of some relationship to dark magic, etc.

Don't you feel, to some extent, worried that by discussing Stallman's comments and their nuance, you yourself may one day be roasted in the same way the RMS is?

Its incredible.

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