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Post by meltedcapacitor »

mngnt wrote: post #145
dusted wrote: post #102

My observation from the comment sections to this post-apocalyptic video is the following: People focusing on how to prevent the theft of these cars, funding police, armed guards on trans, better security. I think this is an interesting perspective, it's very "American", it's like it has been accepted by these commenters that rampant thievery is a perfectly natural part of life and so, must be worked around rather tha…

The cause is the same as it always has been: it is easier for some people to get to the desired standard of living by stealing/other crime than by working. Why crime us going up? Because of higher desired standard (every body needs an iPhone, brand name shoes and hats), more difficulty with earning a wage (largely, difficulty getting a job at all) and decreased difficulty in crime (defunding police, more aesily avail…

"Humans" don't do this in Zurich or Tokyo but do it in Haiti and downtown LA. Could it be that context matters?

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Post by [deleted] »

kqr wrote: post #112
jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fixing this is a two part issue. One, we cannot get rid of physical security, as everyone should have the right to protect themselves and their property. Two, the way to prevent crime from happening is to make people feel in the heart and soul that crime is morally wrong and destructive for the community around them. This is not instinctual human behavior. For those who learn this and live this, great. For those who…

> everyone should have the right to protect themselves and their property. To be clear, this is a political ideal of the Roman Empire that has influenced much of modern civlisation, it's not an inevitable state of humanity.

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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by [deleted] »

ErikCorry wrote: post #322
drewwwwww wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there has been no meaningful defunding of police in any major metropolitan area in california and no directive to not pursue property crime. police have not pursued property crime for decades. you are regurgitating authoritarian propaganda with no evidence.

> no directive to not pursue property crime. police have not pursued property crime for decades If there's no directive, why is property crime not pursued?

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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by 2ion »

The West is on a way to 2nd world status at best, comprised of 1st world enclaves / gated communities where things are in order and a wild 2nd world west.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by hansel_der »

imgabe wrote: post #77

Amazon has already started doing their own shipping. Maybe they'll hire their own mercenaries to guard the shipments too. Eventually they'll replace the government. United States of Amazon. We won't even have to change all our monogrammed stuff.

poor ppl getting shot by underpaid security for trying to steal a box of stupid stuff which the rich kids that ordered it have already forgotten about ...

can totally see this dystopia

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by formerly_proven »

OJFord wrote: post #304
buryat wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if they do it the way they did AWS it'll be amazing

Like 'I would like 1 minute of private security while I walk up this alley'? 'How many times can I walk it on the free tier?'

Until you forget to dismiss your security detail and get a 600k$ charge on your AmazoCard at the end of the month.

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Post by vidarh »

daedalus_f wrote: post #252
vidarh wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your thinking here is still focused on symptoms rather than causes. Most people don't develop debilitating drug addictions without underlying problems. Even most people with drug addictions don't get to a point where they can't hold down a job or have a need to carry out crime to fund it, but of those who do it's worth considering why when e.g. a typical heroin addict can hold down a job and could have funded their a…

It's aside your point, but you may be thinking of fentanyl rather than diamorphine (street name heroin) with regards to the NHS. The former is often used in NHS hospitals for intraoperative and postoperative pain relief, the latter almost never for anything.

No, I'm thinking of diamorphine. I'm not questioning that fentanyl is also used, but so is diamorphine, and the point was not that it is used a lot, but that it is used enough that we have reliable data on the cost of various doses of it.

Here are some pages covering various uses by the NHS

Most relevant to the point I made, here is a pricing page for diamorphine for the NHS[1].

Use during birth: [2]

"This is an injection of a medicine called pethidine into your thigh or buttock to relieve pain. It can also help you to relax. Sometimes, less commonly, a medicine called diamorphine is used."

Use in NHS Scotland [3]: "Unlicensed intranasal diamorphine has been used in the NHS in Scotland for the treatment of severe pain in children in the emergency setting. The availability of diamorphine hydrochloride nasal spray (Ayendi®) provides a licensed preparation."

Article on recent-ish supply problems[4] due to a problem at one of the manufacturers:

"NHS trusts forced to use ‘expensive’ pre-filled diamorphine syringes to manage ongoing supply issues

Exclusive: Birmingham Women’s and Children’s NHS Foundation Trust has had to source pre-filled diamorphine syringes from other NHS trusts to meet demand."

NICE advice on diamorphine use [5] lists indications and doses for acute pain, chronic pain not currently treated with a strong opioid analgesic, acute pulmonary oedema, myocardial infarction.

NHS patient information (word doc) [6] on the shortage: "Diamorphine is licensed to treat severe pain associated with surgery, heart attack or a terminal illness. It is also used for the relief of shortness of breath in severe heart conditions. In addition, a small number of people in the UK may be receiving diamorphine to manage heroin addiction."

So while I have no idea about the actual volume of use, as you can tell the NHS has suppliers, and NICE has a price list.

[1] https://bnf.nice.org.uk/medicinal-forms/diamorphine-hydrochl...

[2] https://www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/labour-and-birth/what-happens/p...

[3] https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/nhs-trusts-f...

[4] https://www.scottishmedicines.org.uk/medicines-advice/diamor...

[5] https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/diamorphine-hydrochloride.html#...

[6] https://www.england.nhs.uk/south/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/...

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Post by stavros »

palijer wrote: post #282
fblp wrote: post #12

Sigh - Any resourced and competent police or security force should be able to catch or deter thieves that are stealing packages from the same location . Additionally, mail theft laws which include prison as a consequence should be extended to package thefts if they don't already cover them.

Perhaps America should be looking at reducing the causes of what leads people to needing to be thieves, rather than catching them and putting them into the justice system (which has many systemic issues itself) As a technical comparison; if you have a system that is creating a bug then it seems an incorrect stopgap solution to invest in support resources to handle user complaints rather than development and QA resour…

Why help poor people when you can catch criminals instead?

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Post by callmeal »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #230
dusted wrote: post #102

My observation from the comment sections to this post-apocalyptic video is the following: People focusing on how to prevent the theft of these cars, funding police, armed guards on trans, better security. I think this is an interesting perspective, it's very "American", it's like it has been accepted by these commenters that rampant thievery is a perfectly natural part of life and so, must be worked around rather tha…

There are situations that make it more likely that people will steal, but I don't think it is wise to off-load all of the responsibility to society. Some people will never steal even to save their own life, because they have principles which guide them in that direction. I think it is important to recognize that our society has less respect for property laws and is more accepting of dishonesty, theft, and general lac…

> Some people will never steal even to save their own life, because they have principles which guide them in that direction.

Isn't this a restatement of the Fundamental Attribution Error?

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Post by stavros »

iakov wrote: post #155
Ansil849 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unilaterally and directly harm other people. Which is precisely what "punishment" does. Try being less vindictive and more understanding about the root circumstances that lead someone to perform an act of desperation.

How is stealing electronics and covid tests an act of desperation? They are not stealing food and hygiene products, right?

Presumably they aren't stealing electronics because their old phone is due an upgrade, though.
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