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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

This is a loaded question. In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere. If every life matters, the…

So we should only pay attention to whatever illness causes the most deaths and ignore the rest?

You're free to get ill if you choose (from smoking, covid, whatever) but it's really hard to believe people don't understand you don't have the right to endanger others, be it with tobacco smoke or covid.

That's also why we have speed limits. If you want to endanger yourself driving 250Km/h that's fine. But you can't, because you'd endanger others.

TL;DR: your freedom ends where mine begins.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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post #45

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It will not be known as the tournament where the best player wins, but as the tournament where the best vaccinated player wins, because the best player was not allowed to participate. It's not a top league tournament anymore, when you don't have all the best player, but only those that are allowed by government criteria.

Ah ok, so is he was discovered taking performance enhancing drugs you would complain in the same way saying that it’s unacceptable that only the best non-doped player can win. Your logic is completely flawed. If there are rules and he breaks then they have ALL the reasons to ban him.

He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is not getting the vaccine under these cicumstances comparable to doping? Is not taking the vaccine known to be performance-enhancing?

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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post #94

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Really? Would you happen to have any relevant link? Was this a recent change or has this always been the case?

The UK has never required a vaccine to enter. The only difference is that non-vaccinated individuals need to quarantine on arrival.

Thanks for the clarification. At the very least, the requirement for Djokovic to quarantine might mess with the timing. He might not be able to train right after arriving.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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post #22

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Djokovic has demonstrated recklessness in dealing with COVID precautions. Read his Instagram statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/

Would you paste it or quote from it for those of us who won't login to Instagram?

"STATEMENT BY NOVAK DJOKOVIC

12 January 2022

I want to address the continuing misinformation about my activities and attendance at events in December in the lead up to my positive PCR COVID test result.

This is misinformation which needs to be corrected, particularly in the interest of alleviating broader concern in the community about my presence in Australia, and to address matters which are very hurtful and concerning to my family.

I want to emphasise that I have tried very hard to ensure the safety of everyone and my compliance with testing obligations.

I attended a basketball game in Belgrade on 14 December after which it was reported that a number of people tested positive with COVID 19. Despite having no COVID symptoms, I took a rapid antigen test on 16 December which was negative, and out of an abundance of caution, also took an official and approved PCR test on that same day.

The next day I attended a tennis event in Belgrade to present awards to children and took a rapid antigen test before going to the event, and it was negative.

I was asymptomatic and felt good, and I had not received the notification of a positive PCR test result until after that event.

The next day, on 18 December I was at my tennis centre in Belgrade to fulfil a long-standing commitment for a L'Equipe interview and photoshoot. I cancelled all other events except for the L'Equipe interview.

I felt obliged to go ahead and conduct the L'Equipe interview as I didn't want to let the journalist down, but did ensure I socially distanced and wore a mask except when my photograph was being taken.

While I went home after the interview to isolate for the required period, on reflection, this was an error of judgement and I accept that I should have rescheduled this commitment.

On the issue of my travel declaration, this was submitted by my support team on my behalf - as I told immigration officials on my arrival - and my agent sincerely apologises for the administrative mistake in ticking the incorrect box about my previous travel before coming to Australia. This was a human error and certainly not deliberate. We are living in challenging times in a global pandemic and sometimes these mistakes can occur. Today, my team has provided additional information to the Australian Government to clarify this matter.

While I felt it was important to address and clarify misinformation I will not be making any further comment out of utmost respect for the Australian Government and their authorities and the current process.

It is always an honour and a privilege to play in the Australian Open. The Australian Open is much-loved by players, fans and the community, not just in Victoria and in Australia, but around the globe, and I just want to have the opportunity to compete against the best players in the world and perform before one of the best crowds in the world."

[source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/]

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Why wouldn't he be? He could have just gotten vaccinated. And then, he could have not lied to them about his travel. I mean, seriously, most folks that lie to immigration/border security get deported and aren't allowed back in. They are used as political pawns, too, but simply are a number instead of a person. I don't know why this man is supposed to be treated differently.

> He could have just gotten vaccinated. He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is that mandate justified?

The risk of getting a myocarditis from COVID itself is higher for him, if we compare the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine. Only for Moderna for people below 40 the risk was higher for myocarditis, and even that comparison doesn't include all the other risks from a COVID infection.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

#138
post #82

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Anyone who thinks Djokovic is at fault. I don't support executive power bypassing courts but I think this doesn't diminish the merit of the winner. He was more intelligent.

Mandating that players who are in the highest risk group for myocarditis must be vaccinated had no good basis to begin with

What are you saying? That it makes sense for anyone in any age group to avoid the vaccine because the risk of myocarditis is so much higher from the vaccine than from the disease? I think that's not very good math

Because that's one of the easiest arguments to dispel. No one should be avoiding the vaccine for that reason. Not even those who had the disease once or twice already.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Djokovic was never eligible to enter Australia. He lied about having a medical excuse to not be vaccinated. He used 'exemptions' from organisations other than the immigration authorities to muddy the waters. He was trying to blag it all along and got caught. He got lucky with a border guard making a mistake which ultimately allowed him entry, but doing anything but cancelling his visa would have been contrary to norm…

The Australian authorities broke the law and mistreated him throughout the process. The court made its decision. I see the Minister using his power this way as systemic corruption that undermines the rule of law. As an Australian, I am not surprised by this; the legal system has been slowly eroded into a dystopian nightmare over the last 20 years and this is just another small step.

One 'unvaxxed' entry with natural immunity is nothing as a risk to public health compared to the systemic consequences of this.

For comparison, consider convicting a murderer over illegally obtained evidence. In a properly functioning liberal democracy the murderer should go free if the police act improperly, to protect the overall system.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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> The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison > Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? This is bizarre logic. "I got screwed, so someone else should get screwed too!" He got the exemption. It was challenged in court.…

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Australians - and I speak as one, now thankfully living elsewhere - but "I got screwed, so someone else should get screwed too!" is a big part of the national psyche, along with "How dare someone get something that I'm not getting!".

Sorry, but no. Expecting consistency in the application of law is fundamental to democracy. It's not Australian to think that celebrities and the rich receiving a different set of laws and treatment is unfair.

...which Djokovic still received, by the way. There are people in his detention centre that have been waiting for 10 years to receive half the time of the courts that Djokovic has received in a week. If Australians were as you described, then Djokovic would be held for 3 years in his current facility then sent to Nauru for a further five years of off-shore processing.

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