Is in the public interest of Australian people for natural immunity to be recognized and this spectacle be over
In comparison they are allowed to have cricket matches with hundreds of thousands of spectators packing
Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Victorian government did in fact grant Djokovic an exemption: https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2022/1/11/explainer-why-aus... Medical panels established by Tennis Australia and the Victoria government granted Djokovic exemption from vaccination to play at the Australian Open on that basis. Djokovic’s lawyers argued that he had every reason to believe the same standard applied at the border. However, the federal g…
Ok, I didn't know that. But still, in what way is Victoria responsible for immigration? Do they normally decide anything about it? It seems like states can nominate (in other immigration cases) but it's subject to central rules too https://www.migration.sa.gov.au/nomination-process/about-sta...
I'm not sure of the extent of the Victorian government's involvement in this debacle, but it is clear they had expressly gave him their assurance (multiple sources mention both Tennis Australia and the Victorian government gave him their approval, even if the visa was ultimately wrong) and were aware of the circumstances (would be surprising if they weren't attentive to the world's #1 tennis player coming to one of the world's most prestigious tennis tournaments).
Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
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Draconian ones
Well maybe. There's a unprecedented pandemic on, it would be surprising if the rules were not proportionate to that.
Djokovic had Covid in June (that's still accepted, right?). He is in the highest risk group for myocarditis from the vaccination. Omicron is dominant. Vaccine efficacy against Omicron is low. What is the scientific basis for mandating that he must be vaccinated in order to participate?
Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
#114David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…
> Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied?
It seems Djokovic went through all the proper channels to get an exemption and visa. Australia's institutions gave him a visa.
The real exemption is that a minister is disregarding Australia's institutions and cancelling his visa because "feelings".
Australia needs to take a hard look at their laws and the way they treat their citizens instead of creating a high profile scapegoat.
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This is a loaded question. In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere. If every life matters, the…
It’s not true. In all the world covid caused way more deaths than smoke related diseases. If in Slovenia it’s not the case then they are massively undercounting covid deaths. And the covid mortality is 1%, not 0.5%. Stop spreading dangerous misinformation.
I have to disagree
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco
> Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke.
Two years, 16+mio deaths. Total covid deaths, a bit over 5 mio.
edit: even obesity, 2.8mio per year, 5.6mio in two years - https://www.who.int/news-room/facts-in-pictures/detail/6-fac...
Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Responding to your rhetorical... Yes. Covid is rampant at this point. An aggressive testing path and allowing him to play would absolutely be in the public's best interest. It's clowns on both sides here but the risk of letting him in is definitely not high enough to balance the public benefit of him being allowed to play. Once he plays the special public benefit ends and so should his visa.
What's the public benefit of letting him play? Letting everyone know that the rich and famous are above the rules?
Many people find value in watching great tennis players compete in a live tournament.
Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
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Anyone who thinks Djokovic is at fault. I don't support executive power bypassing courts but I think this doesn't diminish the merit of the winner. He was more intelligent.
Mandating that players who are in the highest risk group for myocarditis must be vaccinated had no good basis to begin with
He just had Covid as well? So most likely he is better protected than vaccinated people.
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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Djokovic admitted in a statement on his Instagram page that there was a mistake in his travel documents: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/ I don't think his statement puts him in the best light. He also admitted that he publicly took an interview when Djokovic knew that he was positive for COVID without giving a heads up to the interviewer. Although it was brief, he also removed his mask. I'm a fan of Djokovic…
He did however not address the issue that his positive PCR test was probably falsified. https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/does-not-match-dj...
I wonder how his supporters deal with the fact that, if his test wasn't falsified, then Djokovic's plan for getting into Australia was apparently to catch COVID almost exactly when he claims he did.
I.e., at some point Tennis Australia told Djokovic's team that he would/might get an exemption if he'd had COVID recently. In early December Djokovic hadn't had COVID recently and didn't qualify for any kind of exemption. It is very fortunate for him that he then caught COVID, and in time to recover before the event. In early December Djokovic must have been expecting to NOT compete in the Australian Open, right?
Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration
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Anyone who thinks Djokovic is at fault. I don't support executive power bypassing courts but I think this doesn't diminish the merit of the winner. He was more intelligent.
Why wouldn't he be? He could have just gotten vaccinated. And then, he could have not lied to them about his travel. I mean, seriously, most folks that lie to immigration/border security get deported and aren't allowed back in. They are used as political pawns, too, but simply are a number instead of a person. I don't know why this man is supposed to be treated differently.
> He could have just gotten vaccinated.
He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is that mandate justified?