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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by michaelt »

factorialboy wrote: post #12
wombatmobile wrote: post #5

David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

> The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison > Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? This is bizarre logic. "I got screwed, so someone else should get screwed too!" He got the exemption. It was challenged in court.…

> This is bizarre logic. "I got screwed, so someone else should get screwed too!"

Not at all.

The government sets a bunch of strict rules with no exceptions and tells people it's very important that they obey the rules.

It's entirely reasonable for people to take that at face value - if these rules are important, they should apply to the rich and famous just like they do to everyone else.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by stef25 »

Canada wrote: post #39
relyks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Djokovic has demonstrated recklessness in dealing with COVID precautions. Read his Instagram statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/

Would you paste it or quote from it for those of us who won't login to Instagram?

He posted images, here you go

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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

mostertoaster wrote: post #58

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

> Is omnicron worse than a common cold?

Yes, in many cases substantially worse.

> If vaccinated people are spreading covid, and maybe more so

That's not accurate either.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by saiya-jin »

ls15 wrote: post #13
kreeben wrote: post #4

Now the path to the finals has cleared right up for Michael Ymer. Go Sweden!

Who is going to respect such a vicory when the current champion has been blocked from participating?

Its kind of a victory that if I would participate and broke hands or legs of every reasonable player, I would win (a bit extreme but you get the point). Meaningless victory on its own, but trophy, bragging rights and sponsors contracts will follow nevertheless.

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

jmeister wrote: post #38

“Judges are not stupid and are fully aware of what a Friday, 5:55pm, exercise of a Minister's power means ... The Government's delay - given everything about Djokovic's case was known or knowable this time last week - will hurt its case for urgent removal & help Djokovic's claim.” https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1481885230479048705 https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/diplomati... It ain’t over…

The idea that a diplomatic passport can save this guy is kind of delusional. In the event that being issued one while in Australia would actually change his status, the Australian government can expel foreign diplomats at will. It's not like Serbia has some strategic importance to them.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by [deleted] »

Narretz wrote: post #35
relyks wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Djokovic admitted in a statement on his Instagram page that there was a mistake in his travel documents: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/ I don't think his statement puts him in the best light. He also admitted that he publicly took an interview when Djokovic knew that he was positive for COVID without giving a heads up to the interviewer. Although it was brief, he also removed his mask. I'm a fan of Djokovic…

He did however not address the issue that his positive PCR test was probably falsified. https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/does-not-match-dj...

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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by qwerty456127 »

wombatmobile wrote: post #5

David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

> Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied?

No, they should not have accepted being barred perhaps. When you are oppressed just insisting no other one is treated justfully (the way the court decided in accordance with the law) is not a morally right solution. Also expelling a person who has already got in the country physically and attended a courts makes no sense from the epidemiological point of view - he has already brought the virus in if he had it.

And by the way attending a wedding or a family meeting where people stand close, often in a small room, is quite different from just visiting a country or playing tennis (which doesn't require you to stand close to anybody, let alone in a room).

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

zx85wes wrote: post #25
wombatmobile wrote: post #5

David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

This is a loaded question.

In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere.

If every life matters, then ban cigarettes, tax the shit out of sugary sodas and junk food, if you're willing to sacrifice basic human rights, also force people to exercise, and more lives will be saved than from corona. If all those lives don't matter, but corona lives do, someone is doing something very very wrong.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by input_sh »

BrissyCoder wrote: post #19

9/10 Australians think this guy is a grade-A dickhead. It would have been politically unpalatable for him to have been allowed to stay.

As someone that speaks Serbian, him and his family offer an endless source of entertainment. Like for example his father comparing the situation to Jesus' crucifixion, or Novak's regular pilgrimage to Bosnian "pyramid" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims) for its magical healing power.
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