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The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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post #124

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Crypto's use case is drugs and money laundering. Those are valid use-cases.

Only until the criminals learn that leaving a signed transaction history for the police is unwise.

they have, and anonymous crypto now dominates the illicit markets.

getmonero

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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How about a dash of Ether?

I can’t think of a more perfect reply than this, nicely done! It even works on more than one level. Diogenes always had a clever retort, I should’ve seen it coming :) (Illmatic is better than anything Jay-Z ever released, imo)

Illmatic is A+ tier, but I like Stillmatic more. He recently dropped "Magic" would recommend if you enjoyed Illmatic.

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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The worst thing is the constant and malicious lie being perpetuated. You do not own an NFT in any legal or moral sense. The ownership is not recognised in any country, by any court or international body. All you have is an entry in a logical database that says you own it. But unless you have signed a contract with the seller transferring or licensing copyright then it as meaningless as you buying a certificate saying…

This is arguing against a strawman.

1. Most NFT marketplaces, on which the vast majority of NFTs are sold, provide a default IP license and/or allow custom IP licenses: https://www.natlawreview.com/article/nft-license-breakdown-e...

There are some growing pains to be sure, but by and large, NFTs come with an IP license, despite your belief to the contrary.

Your argument is akin to someone ranting, after the development of photographic prints, that a print is a malicious lie and you do not own anything in any legal or moral sense.

2. Increasingly, most savvy NFT projects provide, and savvy buyers demand, even greater IP rights. For example, here are the IP terms for Bored Ape Yacht Club (one of the top NFT projects in the space): https://boredapeyachtclub.com/#/terms

Note that BAYC grants the NFT holder not only a license to use and re-sell the NFT, but the right to commercially exploit and create derivatives of the image itself.

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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post #48

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Possession is nine-tenths of the law. If nobody can take it from you, you "own" it, and everything else follows from that. "It" being: your crypto identity bound to some metadata.

No the artist owns it. They have the copyright. So the funny part is that if you buy an NFT not only can I legally copy it but I can approach the artist, buy the copyright and then sue you for copyright infringement.

Most NFTs come with an IP license. You cannot buy the copyright and sue someone with a valid pre-existing valid IP license.

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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I’m honestly surprised that hysterics about NFTs have dragged on so long. People must be super bored to give a fuck about this or become upset. People just want to trade proof of ownership, as defined in their own sense. They aren’t really bothering anyone or causing any havoc. Why are people so bloody crazy about it? Just ignore it for fucks sake.

Because: Climate. Change. Is. A. Thing.

In a world where we are (or should be) in a desperate race to decarbonise the essential industries that make 1st world standards of living possible (steel, concrete, travel, electricity), you're merrily burning a road-trip's worth of energy every time you want to trade a digital beanie baby.

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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The worst thing is the constant and malicious lie being perpetuated. You do not own an NFT in any legal or moral sense. The ownership is not recognised in any country, by any court or international body. All you have is an entry in a logical database that says you own it. But unless you have signed a contract with the seller transferring or licensing copyright then it as meaningless as you buying a certificate saying…

It's like registering a star...

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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post #67

I would like to see an actual measured critique or discussion of NFTs and adjacent cryptocurrencies. I'm absolutely willing to hear that NFTs (and related cryptocurrencies) are bad for the environment, bad for society, have no "intrinsic" value, but I'd really like to hear some counterpoints. For example. * Which is worse in terms of environmental costs: ordering 100 T-shirts or minting an NFT [0]? * There will alway…

Regarding cryptocurrency and solar power, the argument has some gaping holes in it. The premise is that solar (and wind) does not have the constant generation rate that fossil fuels or nuclear plants provide, so by having miners going online when there is an energy surplus (and thus it is cheaper) can help pay for solar installations (which must be over-built to supply energy off-peak).

The most obvious problem with this line of reasoning is that miners make more money when they are constantly mining than when they only mine opportunistically. This has already been demonstrated in the real world, with miners generally clustering around energy that is cheap and always available. We have seen miners keep gas-burning plants that would have shut down online, bringing already shut-down coal plants back online, and clustering in countries and regions where coal/nuclear/etc. energy is cheap and abundant (China, a few former Soviet republics, etc.).

Moreover, anything that consumes power and that does not need to run round the clock would have the same effect on solar deployment. Why not create a smart washing machine that waits for energy prices to fall before starting a load? Why not a steel mill? A basic flaw in the argument is the assumption that there is no better use of energy than Bitcoin mining or that Bitcoin is unique in its "flexible" energy needs. Neither assumption is true. There are alternatives with the same "flexibility" that have a clearer benefit for humanity, like direct conversion of atmospheric CO2 and water into gasoline (still a research topic, but prototype facilities are being tested at small scales right now) or any other energy storage technology (which in theory could be operated separately from generation).

Finally, a basic economic point: energy spent on cryptocurrency mining is energy not available for anything else. Even if all Bitcoin mining was exclusively powered by solar, wind, and hydro power, Bitcoin would still be slowing the progress on phasing out fossil fuels by consuming so much energy. Electric cars need to be charged whether or not Bitcoin mining occurs, and if renewable sources are all being sunk into Bitcoin then cars will be charged using non-renewable sources.

I know you asked for the other side, but sometimes there is no other side and this is one of those times. The idea that Bitcoin is actually good for the environment because it could, possibly, subsidize solar production is just a desperate attempt to work around the criticism that Bitcoin wastes energy. Yet that criticism of Bitcoin is very easy to demonstrate: divide the number of transactions processed in one second by the power consumption of Bitcoin, and compare the same estimate for Visa or whatever. Even if the estimated power consumption of Bitcoin is off by a factor of 100 you would still be better off with Visa, since Bitcoin processes 7 transactions per second while Visa processes about 1700 (and Visa's annual reports on the topic always show much lower power consumption figures than even the most generous estimates for Bitcoin -- several orders of magnitude lower).

I'll give credit where it is due: people who reflexively shout "PoS" when these criticisms are raised are at least acknowledging that PoW is a problem that needs to be addressed. That is the only actual counterpoint to the complaints about energy consumption, a technical improvement that is ready for deployment (and is already partially used by Ethereum, with a full switch supposedly coming soon).

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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Commercial aviation makes up 918 million metric tons of carbon. Bitcoin mining makes up 22 million metric tons. I'm less worried about NFTs than I am air travel.

Except that we do not have an alternative to jet airplanes that moves hundreds of times more passengers while emitting less carbon. We do have such an alternative to Bitcoin, in fact it predates Bitcoin by decades and is far more popular: Visa. Visa's total carbon emissions in 2020 for its data centers and offices (their ESG report also discusses emissions from employee commuting and business travel) is a whopping 14 thousand metric tons, over 1000 less than Bitcoin. That carbon was emitted as Visa processed 1700 transactions per second compared to only 7 transactions per second for Bitcoin.

In other words, as an electronic payments system, Visa is roughly one million times less polluting than Bitcoin.

So until NFTs are using a system at least as energy-efficient as Visa, I'll continue to worry...

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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I'm as concerned as the next person about energy use, but I did read some counterpoints in an article published yesterday [1] The House Energy and Commerce Committee’s Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee is reportedly going to investigate cryptocurrency’s effect on the environment... But the meme that bitcoin or cryptocurrency uses as much power as one country or another, promoted by The New York Times last Sep…

Your citation is full of errors and fallacies. More efficient mining rigs is basically irrelevant, because Bitcoin miners have no incentive to reduce energy consumption while computing the same number of hashes; it is to compute more hashes using the same amount of energy. So as long as you know the lowest possible energy-per-hash of all available mining hardware you can compute a lower bound on Bitcoin's energy utilization.

Then comes the claim that we do not have data on the energy consumed by mainstream finance, but in some cases we do and it really drives home the point about Bitcoin. Visa emitted over 1000 times less carbon in 2020 than Bitcoin, and processes over 1000 times more transactions per second (7 for Bitcoin versus 1700 for Visa). So Visa is at least a million times more energy efficient than Bitcoin as a transaction processing system.

Then the "pushback" claiming that it's really OK because Bitcoin mining can be switched on when energy is abundant, which could, maybe, possibly, subsidize the cost of renewables. Except there are alternatives that also could be switched on only when there is an energy surplus -- beginning with any energy-storage technology, of which there are many at different stages of development. Every joule devoted to Bitcoin is a joule not charging an electric car, and every dollar spent on Bitcoin is a dollar not spent developing better storage. There are also industrial processes that could be selectively turned on during periods of abundant energy, like electric arc furnaces widely used in steel mills (the ability to turn the furnace on and off as needed is one of the big advantages of electric arc furnaces over blast furnaces).

The outright denial that there even is a problem to solve is a classic example of people becoming religious about a technology. Fortunately better responses have been offered from the blockchain crowd, like pointing to PoS as a technical solution to the problem.

Re: The Worrisome Rise of NFTs

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post #24

Here we go again. 'NFTs is a scam', 'web3 is a bubble', 'This is a going to crash', etc. They already know it is a scam, ponzi and a bubble which is why everyone is cashing in on the hype before it collapses. 90% - 98% of these NFTs will not survive and will be worthless, so let us ignore this common form of NFTs (images, videos, etc) and look at NFTs that have utility and value like blockchain domain names like ENS,…

> So, if you think it is going to collapse, just ignore it. Otherwise we will all be back to complain about NFTs in another thread once again. I don’t think this is fair. Thousands of people will be scammed out of their savings. Peta joules of energy will be wasted. Hundreds of art pieces will be stolen. This is entirely preventable with legislation and enforcement, and while we wait for that, this damage can be mini…

> This is entirely preventable with legislation and enforcement, and while we wait for that, this damage can be minimized by informing the public.

The reason why it is easy to ignore the hype is that eventually, regulations will eliminate 90% of all these NFTs that do not comply. Right now everyone knows it is a scam and they are scamming each other until the bubble bursts. (again).

This has happened to the ICOs, so it will also happen to NFTs.

> That is not a very humane course of action.

If 2017 didn't teach them about the scams, hacks and immaturity of the unregulated nature of the cryptocurrency ecosystem, then they will learn the hard way again with NFTs.

This is why the serious approach is for the businesses and users to wait for regulatory clarity first rather than jumping into a casino-laden pyramid ponzi scam and repeat the same mistakes of 2017.

The regulators will do all the legislation required to bring the carnage 'under control', just like they did for regulating cryptocurrency exchanges. So we will see. But for now, the madness can be ignored, since it is doomed to collapse once regulations come for it.

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