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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #359
ls15 wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's your turn to prove that what you claim is 100% valid in all places of the world if you don't want to look like an idiot.

I have not lied before, and I have not moved the lamppost. You answered the question about the WHO passport, only after 4 times of asking you said that you forgot it at home. After I explained to you that you could have easily gotten a new one (a statement that you pleasantly ignored again in your last answer), you claim that the country where you were vaccinated in does not use or did not allow you to use a WHO Pass…

Since you insist and press for more personal information (ironically in a thread about privacy), go ahead and prove to me, how I could have avoided the digital certificate in a country that uses a central vaccination register and does not even hand out physical print outs in the hospital, even on request. The urls to the unprotected certificate website are sent after vaccination by SMS (I consider this a privacy violation already). No exceptions. WHO passport is completely irrelevant to my story, even if I had it with me. Maybe there would have been an option to get it stamped after acquiring Passierschein A38, but not to my knowledge. That would also change nothing at all.

Mongolia. If you find a source (Mongolian regulation please - Google Translate works) that describes how the digital certificate could have been avoided, I will admit that I was wrong about the specific certification requirements. Nothing more, because I did not lie in this thread. To my knowledge I had no option to get vaccinated (and also tested) without getting my privacy violated.

Another funny anecdote the PCR test result for my flight (the physical one - the redundant digital one was SMS&URL again) was provided to me in this way:

Nobody was at the clinic when I came and all the results (mine and many others) were openly on a table next to the open entry of the building. This one I can actually easily prove, because I took a photo. I can show it to you in Berlin if you want. But then I want you to admit that there are indeed terrible privacy implications through all these certificates.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by truthhunter »

arliebeach wrote: post #331
truthhunter wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another question: Are all results displayed in green color, also the positiv ones?

All valid reports ("Report is VALID!") - both negative and positive tests - are in green color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-success). All invalid reports ("Report IS NOT VALID!") are in red color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-danger). You can see it when open https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs without any subdir/script/query string.

Thx, for the feedback. In germany it's quite unusual to display the positive test in green, that's why I asked.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by pavle81 »

grujicd wrote: post #125
TomAnthony wrote: post #35

The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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grujicd wrote: post #125
TomAnthony wrote: post #35

The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by msuvakov »

grujicd wrote: post #223
grujicd wrote: post #156

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Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…

I have 2 more datapoints. My wife went with me to the testing on the same date. If you're negative on rapid test, they usually take PCR as well. Since she was negative on the first one, there was a PCR too. These are her QR urls: Rapid test: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=16415703349MJ... Timestamp: 1641570334, time: GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 15:45:34 PCR: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?c…

They probably generate ID when results are stored in database, not when samples are taken. Difference in processing time explains this. What are the dates of result (stated at the bottom of the pdf)?

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by arliebeach »

truthhunter wrote: post #362
arliebeach wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All valid reports ("Report is VALID!") - both negative and positive tests - are in green color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-success). All invalid reports ("Report IS NOT VALID!") are in red color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-danger). You can see it when open https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs without any subdir/script/query string.

Thx, for the feedback. In germany it's quite unusual to display the positive test in green, that's why I asked.

Initially, I had the same thought. Greetings from Germany too :-)

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by grujicd »

truthhunter wrote: post #362
arliebeach wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All valid reports ("Report is VALID!") - both negative and positive tests - are in green color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-success). All invalid reports ("Report IS NOT VALID!") are in red color (Bootstrap 3 class .alert-danger). You can see it when open https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs without any subdir/script/query string.

Thx, for the feedback. In germany it's quite unusual to display the positive test in green, that's why I asked.

Green/red have the same semantics in Serbia as in Germany.

This green for positive test mean just that QR code and associated test are valid, not that it’s good or bad. Positive test is bad in the first 14 days but after that it’s good - it gives you same rights as if you were vaccinated. But it’s the same test in both cases and green just tells us it’s a valid document.

Digital certificate is different kind of document. That’s the one you need to enter restaurans, bars, etc. after 20h - it will be red if you don’t fulfill conditions, e.g. vaccination or positive test within last 6 months (but not within 14 days), etc.

In programer’s lingo, test result is const, while digital certificate is a function of multiple conditions in context of current date/time.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by tominous »

meelosh wrote: post #296
grujicd wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

The question I have is this - is the test ID generated when the test results are generated for the first time (either sent by email if they have it, or accessed through eGov or eHealth portal), or are they generated as soon as test results are complete? If it's the former, then it's theoretically possible that the first (positive) results have been downloaded for the first time on Dec 26, and thus have a higher ID nu…

Third option: the test ID is generated well before the test is taken.

When I donate blood the nurse pulls out a sheet of around 20 pre-generated identical barcode stickers, and attaches one to each piece of paper and bag of blood. This uniquely identifies my donation end-to-end.

Djokovic's PCR tests were done at two separate labs. It is quite possible that each lab is bulk-allocated a unique range of IDs every day or week from the central authority. You'd see big "time jumps" from one lab to the other if you assumed the ID was always in time order.

Depending on how they handle their range (e.g. if they are handing physical stacks of barcode stickers around) the code may not even always be in time order in the same lab.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by msuvakov »

saberdancer wrote: post #317
msuvakov wrote: post #281

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Updated plot (29 test data from volontiers) is available here: https://twitter.com/msuvakov/status/1481033480901431297 Only outlier is Djokovic's positive test. It perfectly fits to 26. December, the same date timestamp was created.

Thank you. I'd say that is very convincing, especially with him walking about on 16, 17th and 18th. When scanning a QR code, is the date visible anywhere on the page? I am trying to guess whether someone just edited a PDF with a different date (might explain why they chose 16.12 - you need to change a single number). Alternative would require someone back dating a test in the system. In any case, not a good look for…

No, that is the weak point of this system. Anyone can change date in pdf and no one can check that except Serbian authorities. The only limit for date is one year after test because verification system (qr code link) is set not to validate older tests.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by Handytinge »

azangru wrote: post #31
boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

> and he's trying to cheat to get in Sorry, I don't really follow those sports news, so maybe I missed something; but how did he try to cheat? He applied to Australian Open for an exemption, and was granted an exemption [0]. How is this cheating? [0] - https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1478329044156309505

Tennis Australia don't have the authority to issue travel visas or decide entry requirements to the country.
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