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Ask HN: My coworker doesn't work. Does it make sense for me to say anything?

#1
My coworker has barely worked for over a year now. No joke and no exaggeration. Every single day they seem to find a way to not do anything - either in some excuse or obfuscation. The worst part is that this person is a higher title than me and probably gets paid more than me.

My manager seems to be slightly aware of this but I'm not sure by how much exactly. It's obviously quite frustrating on many different levels. Is there any scenario in which this makes sense for me to mention something to my manager or should I just keep my mouth shut?

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#3
Say nothing. It shouldn't matter to you what they are or are not doing. You do work, you get paid. That's all that's relevant to you.

I do understand why you find this frustrating, of course – most people would. But I can't see anything good coming out of you bringing this up – how would you even go about doing that?

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#4
post #2

Unless their inaction is directly affecting your ability to adequately handle your responsibilities, I would mind my own business.

I would definitely agree. I know the difference between people who do nothing and don't effect me versus people who do nothing and I pick up the slack. It depends who you are in the chain.

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#5
Unless it’s having a knock-on effect on your work I would keep it to yourself. It’s not as bad as a Spanish civil servant who didn’t turn up to work for 6 years and no-one noticed. He spent his time reading philosophy. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35557725.amp

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#6
If you feel this impacts you directly - you have to do more work, or there aren't raises in the budget b/c of their comp - I suggest addressing it directly. Focus on the impact and work delivered, rather than whether they are working or not.

Best to understand, however, there may be undesirable consequences. You might get them fired, or you might get yourself put in the doghouse b/c this person is the manager's sister in law.

But if there is unfairness in compensation, and it bothers you, address it. You may have quite a bit of leverage if you're holding the productivity line up, but you may shoot yourself (or your colleague) in the foot. My rec would be to focus on the impact of your work compared to your expectations.

Comp should be fair. I would not accept a situation where I feel I'm being treated unfairly.

(Now, if this colleague is not giving you more work, is not in the way of a raise or promo, and is not a bad person... you definitely don't owe the company any "efficiency gains" conversations. Let that person milk the situation, if it doesn't impact you!)

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#7
Focus on what you need to get done. Saying bad things about others is more of a negative reflection on you than others.

It sounds like you’re frustrated on something of the lines of ‘fairness’. I’d take some time to figure out what you want and what it takes to get that. (Not just I want money), instead things along the lines of (I want to work on a team that is cohesive, I want to be valued[and maybe that is by money], etc)

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#8
Slackers are the number one reason I do not enjoy corporate America anymore. I don’t care if you are not able to perform and need help or produce crap, as long as you put in the effort and try to pull your weight.

In my decade of experience I have witnessed people, technical people, who magically manage to just not do anything at all, ever. They jump from initiative to initiative without producing anything, and somehow still manage to get some credit with management.

Paradoxically, I find these people more among “tech lead” and managers roles, where their leverage is much higher and they could be having massive positive impact in the organization. I am acutely aware of how incredibly effective a tech lead or manager can be by providing the right context to a team in need even without directly contributing. Here I am not talking about this profile, I am talking about people who have no freaking clue, they are literally leeches who go from meeting to meeting pretending to make some insightful observation, then leave and repeat. The organization is too messy and they can move “faster than they can shoot them”.

The solution in my experience tends to be to go in small startups that are not run by mentally unstable founders: you’ll get paid less but typically people with zero/negative productivity won’t be found there, there’s not enough bureaucracy to support their façade. They’ll start coming once the headcount surpasses 200 or so.

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#9
post #3

Say nothing. It shouldn't matter to you what they are or are not doing. You do work, you get paid. That's all that's relevant to you. I do understand why you find this frustrating, of course – most people would. But I can't see anything good coming out of you bringing this up – how would you even go about doing that?

The good that could happen: comp increase, or promotion. Or even just making sure their manager is aware that the entire dept productivity is on OP (makes their leverage obvious). Or, if the expectations are low, OP could de-stress and kick back at work, improving their life.

Possible bad: gets the other person fired. Puts a target on OPs back.

Point being, this will fester if it isn't addressed. Fairness is important, as are concrete expectations.

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#10
Not enough info to give any detailed recommendations, as different situations warrant different things.

Having said that, I think the safest advice is to make sure your work is correctly being attributed to yourself (i.e., they aren't taking credit for your work) and advocate for a raise for yourself as you normally would, just with more confidence. Clearly advocate for yourself and the work you are clearly doing and let management put the puzzle pieces together on their own.

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