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The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by Chris2048 »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #9

I think I remember reading (maybe in the book WEIRD) that in Western societies, as the "rule of law" spread and as society became more individualistic overall, murders shifted from being between strangers or weak acquaintances (ie a dispute, a robbery, etc) to being intrafamily (ie killing a spouse, parent, etc). Ie 200 years ago, it was unheard of, but now most murders are like that. Abuse might be different, I coul…

> 200 years ago, it was unheard of

That doesn't mean it didn't happen - I assume it happened more in the past and just almost never reported.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by throw8932894 »

I seen study[1] that claimed similar results (early puberty, depression...) but from lack of male figures in childhood. Another study showed similar results in macaque monkeys. Evolutionary explanation was that group needs to be repopulated faster.

[1] https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/09/17/puberty/

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Post by 1980phipsi »

fullstop wrote: post #5
fractallyte wrote: post #4

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> I seriously wonder if this is why we ended up with a patriarchal 'civilization'. Simply because so many women are silently traumatized. Men are also, in general, significantly stronger physically.

Patriarchal civilizations only began to outcompete non-patriarchal ones with the relatively recent advent of grain agriculture. There were many hundreds of thousands of years where men were stronger physically and patriarchy wasn't dominant (I mean that some civilizations were patriarchal and others were non-patriarchal).

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Post by winnit »

Chris2048 wrote: post #11
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #9

I think I remember reading (maybe in the book WEIRD) that in Western societies, as the "rule of law" spread and as society became more individualistic overall, murders shifted from being between strangers or weak acquaintances (ie a dispute, a robbery, etc) to being intrafamily (ie killing a spouse, parent, etc). Ie 200 years ago, it was unheard of, but now most murders are like that. Abuse might be different, I coul…

> 200 years ago, it was unheard of That doesn't mean it didn't happen - I assume it happened more in the past and just almost never reported.

Why would you assume that one type of killing was reported more than another kind? From the evidence I have gathered from primitive societies existing today without conventional legal apparatuses, they find the concept of murder within the society almost unthinkable and have no memory of such events taking place. On the other hand, it is not typically seen as murder to kill an outsider.

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Post by cafard »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #9

I think I remember reading (maybe in the book WEIRD) that in Western societies, as the "rule of law" spread and as society became more individualistic overall, murders shifted from being between strangers or weak acquaintances (ie a dispute, a robbery, etc) to being intrafamily (ie killing a spouse, parent, etc). Ie 200 years ago, it was unheard of, but now most murders are like that. Abuse might be different, I coul…

Isn't intrafamily killing more or less a staple of ancient literature? Cain/Abel, Romulus/Remus, Clytemnestra/Agamemnon, etc.

There is quite a high local murder rate at the moment, but most of that seems to result from drug-business disputes, or simply the availability of firearms to settle neighborhood disputes.

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Post by folli »

winnit wrote: post #14
Chris2048 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 200 years ago, it was unheard of That doesn't mean it didn't happen - I assume it happened more in the past and just almost never reported.

Why would you assume that one type of killing was reported more than another kind? From the evidence I have gathered from primitive societies existing today without conventional legal apparatuses, they find the concept of murder within the society almost unthinkable and have no memory of such events taking place. On the other hand, it is not typically seen as murder to kill an outsider.

I assume there was (and partially still is) a very strict taboo on intrafamilial murder and abuse. It's very hard to hide a murder nowadays, but just looking at abuse, we know there are a lot of unreported cases even in a modern society. It must have been much worse in more 'primitive' societies.

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Post by Chris2048 »

winnit wrote: post #14
Chris2048 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 200 years ago, it was unheard of That doesn't mean it didn't happen - I assume it happened more in the past and just almost never reported.

Why would you assume that one type of killing was reported more than another kind? From the evidence I have gathered from primitive societies existing today without conventional legal apparatuses, they find the concept of murder within the society almost unthinkable and have no memory of such events taking place. On the other hand, it is not typically seen as murder to kill an outsider.

Who would report it? If parent kill their child they are unlikely to, if someone else kills their child they are likely to.

> From the evidence I have gathered from primitive societies

What evidence are you referring to? Also, again "unthinkable" is different from it not happening. In fact, it makes it even more likely to be covered up, if people don't care to investigate, or otherwise want to know.

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Post by bluGill »

winnit wrote: post #14
Chris2048 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 200 years ago, it was unheard of That doesn't mean it didn't happen - I assume it happened more in the past and just almost never reported.

Why would you assume that one type of killing was reported more than another kind? From the evidence I have gathered from primitive societies existing today without conventional legal apparatuses, they find the concept of murder within the society almost unthinkable and have no memory of such events taking place. On the other hand, it is not typically seen as murder to kill an outsider.

I would assume that it happened but was passed off as an accident and not murder. That is a man runs crying to town "my wife is dead!", cries at the funeral, and gets community support as a man grieving his wife - she is dead because he poisoned her, or ensured she would get hit by those falling rocks that look like an accident, but if you don't have modern investigation you have no way of knowing that. (it can go the other way too of course)

There are lots of ways to kill. Some will be investigated more than others.

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