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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by sleepless »

skywal_l wrote: post #264
jbaiter wrote: post #6

What worked for me was disabling HTTP3 support with the 'network.http.http3.enabled' key in about:config and then restarting Firefox. Seems like it's stuck in the 'SocketThread', repeatedly doing this: 2022-01-13 08:20:53.075936 UTC - [Parent 4106991: Socket Thread]: V/nsHttp Http3Stream::OnReadSegment count=333 state=4 [this=7f6e295623a0]

It's been posted already but putting it here for better visibility: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908

Closed as dupe of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749910 "Firefox has witnessed outages and we are sorry for that. We believe it's fixed and a restart of Firefox should restore normal behaviour. We will provide more information shortly."

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by rntksi »

mhio wrote: post #329
bipson wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the alternative is running a system with a ton of outdated software, with known bugs and active exploits while casually surfing the "oh-so-cosy-and-entirely-harmless" WWW... The goal is not to ostracize automatic updates, but to have faster fixes. Or to separate security updates from feature updates, but I think this ship has long sailed for modern browsers.

In the case of Firefox, there's also the Extended Support Release. Security updates without the UI change every 4 weeks https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-to-firefox-exten...

In this case, ESR was also affected.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749910

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #318
jacquesm wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My browser isn't supposed to have any 'backend services'. Especially not backend services that I did not explicitly opt in to.

It's not a backend service on your browser, it's on whatever webpage you tried to visit.

I really don't get this comment after a whole thread full of good information on this.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by skinkestek »

Ekaros wrote: post #343
smcl wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah I think you're mistaken. We're talking about when you open a new tab in Firefox the default landing page has a little grid showing commonly accessed sites as well as an additional search/address bar which says "Search with google or enter address" We have the same feelings on this - I also would prefer an explicitly separate search bar and address bar. Edit: or maybe I'm understanding Ekaros' comment incorrectly?…

No this is exactly correct. I can just write the address in address bar if I want. But I do not have search engine as default page or even have one in as bookmark. So I would love to just have a search box where I can copy paste a filename with either full path or as something.py... And browser to not try to access non existent .py domain which only has third-level addresses anyway...

You can, just go to settings and enable it.

(For everyone wondering why we crazy people stick with Firefox: there are actually a number of technical/ux reasons in addition to not wanting to give control of the web away to a single company.)

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by 4cao »

smcl wrote: post #145
dantondwa wrote: post #37

And here I go explaining my friends and family I helped switch to Firefox that the browser I've installed on their computers got broken at the beginning of a new day while Edge and Chrome work fine... personally, I know very well bugs happen and I'm not mad, but this certainly hurts the confidence in it for the non-tech people.

Just yesterday I was telling a colleague who was fighting with chrome (entering the address `something.companyname.local` caused chrome to search for that string, he had to enter ` https://something.companyname.local ` for it to work) they should just switch to Firefox. Bugs happen but this is a pretty annoying one.

FYI There is a workaround for this: add a search engine with "http://%s" (or "https://%s") as its query URL and make it the default one. And when you actually want to search, explicitly prepend the phrase with a keyword for another search engine (like "d[search string]" for DDG).

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by elcapitan »

nottorp wrote: post #323
elcapitan wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multi-Account Containers are really the only remaining feature that keeps me from switching to Chrome. Obviously this won't happen in Chrome though :/

Has Chrome stopped signing you in to google browser wide without your permission? And even if they do, can you trust google that they're not watching everything you browse through a mechanism that privacy extensions cannot affect? For example the malware database.

I don't use a google account inside the browser, so they have nothing to sign me in with.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

jiggawatts wrote: post #340
rossmohax wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't test automation and demise of manual QA are just consequences of large increase in the test surface? Many more features, greater hardware variance, changes to underneth tech stacks, etc all lead to a combinatorial explosion of what to be tested and manual QA wont be able to cover any significant portion of it, unless James Webb like money are spent on QA.

I think it's a lack of ownership and craftsmanship . You need that grumpy old master in charge smacking the apprentices on the back of the head when they don't live up to his standards. I'm very lucky to have grown up and gotten most of my work experience in that kind of environment. I was expected to aim for perfection, and punished without fail if I didn't achieve it. No half-measures. Do it right, or don't do it a…

Amen. What's worth doing is worth doing well. It's the anti-thesis of move fast and break stuff but I really far prefer the careful approach to software development over the one that doesn't care about what happens to end users.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by progval »

torstenvl wrote: post #345
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a backend service on your browser, it's on whatever webpage you tried to visit.

No, it's in the browser. Turn off all data collection and the bug disappears. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c10

lower in the linked thread:

> Telemetry has nothing to do with this, it just happens to be one of the first services with H3 load balancer.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

duncanc4 wrote: post #178
Grollicus wrote: post #74

It seems another workaround is disabling the collection of usage data: https://twitter.com/vanilla_chief/status/1481546294489489409 €: It seems telemetry does no longer triggers the bug as they've changed something on the server side? So this probably won't help anymore.

This worked. Funny that this bug will cause people to turn off the opt-out data collection. No one is going to turn it back on after the issue is fixed.

Don't worry, FF will do an automatic update to re-enable it. Again. Without your consent.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

chaz6 wrote: post #131

I suggested that data collection should be opt-in since it is (almost) the cause of this issue, and my comment was hidden for "advocacy". https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c11

of course it should be opt-in. It's ridiculous that such a thing would be opt-out.
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