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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by ahelwer » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #110

ahelwer wrote: post #107

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Your bullshit assertion that homeless people aren’t from here can’t even stand up to the data, not even from any right-wing news source you can find, so you come up with an idiotic story about activists coaching the homeless to respond inaccurately to surveys. You have no solutions to the problem. Your only recourse is to push the problem somewhere else. Utterly pathetic. No vision whatsoever.

Reread what I said about point in time surveys before talking about data - bad, purposefully misleading data is worse than no data. My “recourse”, which is to not let the homeless steal from legitimate residents, is the only reasonable solution. I certainly have no sympathy for the large number of drug addicted homeless taking advantage of the naivety of Seattle’s policies. But even for the rest - people need to figu…

Since you're so worried about this problem why not try learning the first thing about it? I'm sure you know people in your life who have become addicted to various substances, which is at this point widely recognized as an issue of mental health. Hopefully those people had enough of a safety net to avoid becoming homeless. If not, well, now they're caught in a vicious cycle. Kicking a drug addiction is hugely more difficult when you're facing housing insecurity, and when you're facing housing insecurity your likelihood of self-medicating with drugs and developing an addiction is also hugely more likely. Housing insecurity also makes it much more difficult to find & keep a job to get income and alleviate the insecurity, as does having a drug addiction. Of course, there are also expensive non-addiction-related health issues which make it more difficult to work - and it's more difficult to manage the condition while homeless. All of this is rendered much worse by high housing costs - you need to make more money to achieve housing security, and your likelihood of becoming homeless from financial stress is also much higher.

You look at this problem in your community and your solution is to ignorantly push for it to be someone else's problem. I repeat, utterly pathetic. You are not a serious person.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by throwawaysea » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 6:45 PM UTC

ahelwer wrote: post #111

throwawaysea wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reread what I said about point in time surveys before talking about data - bad, purposefully misleading data is worse than no data. My “recourse”, which is to not let the homeless steal from legitimate residents, is the only reasonable solution. I certainly have no sympathy for the large number of drug addicted homeless taking advantage of the naivety of Seattle’s policies. But even for the rest - people need to figu…

Since you're so worried about this problem why not try learning the first thing about it? I'm sure you know people in your life who have become addicted to various substances, which is at this point widely recognized as an issue of mental health. Hopefully those people had enough of a safety net to avoid becoming homeless. If not, well, now they're caught in a vicious cycle. Kicking a drug addiction is hugely more di…

It’s telling that at the end of your comments, all you have left is an ad hominem attack. Not getting addicted is itself an act of personal responsibility. You’re acting as if none of these people have ownership around their actions, when they do. If they weren’t enabled by the policies you support, they would act differently.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by ahelwer » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 6:52 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #112

ahelwer wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're so worried about this problem why not try learning the first thing about it? I'm sure you know people in your life who have become addicted to various substances, which is at this point widely recognized as an issue of mental health. Hopefully those people had enough of a safety net to avoid becoming homeless. If not, well, now they're caught in a vicious cycle. Kicking a drug addiction is hugely more di…

It’s telling that at the end of your comments, all you have left is an ad hominem attack. Not getting addicted is itself an act of personal responsibility. You’re acting as if none of these people have ownership around their actions, when they do. If they weren’t enabled by the policies you support, they would act differently.

The “personal responsibility“ and carceral approach to addiction is, thankfully, hideously outdated and you should join the rest of us with the medical community in the 21st century. When you see someone destitute under a bridge, have humility and think “there but for the grace of god go I”. Anything else is vanity.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by throwawaysea » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

ahelwer wrote: post #113

throwawaysea wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s telling that at the end of your comments, all you have left is an ad hominem attack. Not getting addicted is itself an act of personal responsibility. You’re acting as if none of these people have ownership around their actions, when they do. If they weren’t enabled by the policies you support, they would act differently.

The “personal responsibility“ and carceral approach to addiction is, thankfully, hideously outdated and you should join the rest of us with the medical community in the 21st century. When you see someone destitute under a bridge, have humility and think “there but for the grace of god go I”. Anything else is vanity.

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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by snovv_crash » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 9:33 AM UTC

yuliyp wrote: post #96

snovv_crash wrote: post #92

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What, exactly, is the purpose of car keys if you're going to leave them in the car?

Minnesota (especially the northern part) gets REALLY cold in the winter. People with remote starters will start their car remotely if it's been parked outside more than an hour. People without those may want go outside, start the car, then go wait inside to avoid freezing your butt off for 5 minutes while the car gets to a driveable and habitable temperature.

Yeah, but then your car might as well have a "start" button, keys aren't necessarily.

Lots of cars let you take out the keys when the ignition is in "armed" state for this reason exactly. No need to leave the keys in the ignition while you aren't there.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by ahelwer » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 1:43 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #112

ahelwer wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're so worried about this problem why not try learning the first thing about it? I'm sure you know people in your life who have become addicted to various substances, which is at this point widely recognized as an issue of mental health. Hopefully those people had enough of a safety net to avoid becoming homeless. If not, well, now they're caught in a vicious cycle. Kicking a drug addiction is hugely more di…

It’s telling that at the end of your comments, all you have left is an ad hominem attack. Not getting addicted is itself an act of personal responsibility. You’re acting as if none of these people have ownership around their actions, when they do. If they weren’t enabled by the policies you support, they would act differently.

That isn't even ad hominem! Ad hominem would be like "your ideas are pathetic, therefore they are wrong" whereas what I said was "your ideas are wrong for these reasons, therefore they are pathetic". You are mixing up the premise and the conclusion! Come on!