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Re: Dark Web – Justice League

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I live in NJ where weed is legal but you can't buy it (legally) so we are sort of in a weird spot. anyway, it makes me really not care about ordering weed on the dark web from CA. if the feds catch it, its an ounce of weed to a residence, they don't care and im not gonna go in front of some federal judge on federal drug crimes. if CA or NJ catch it, its legal there, who cares. but the site I use uses an escrow system…

I thought NJ legalized to the level of CA, where you can there are dispensaries and stuff, no?

https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/marijuana/20...

> Under state law, that first day for adult sales at licensed dispensaries is supposed to come next month. The enabling marijuana legalization legislation signed into law by Gov. Phil Murphy last year directs the CRC to begin adult use marijuana sales before Feb. 22, with 30-day notice beginning Jan. 23.

> But there's a catch. The CRC is yet to issue any licenses for recreational marijuana sales, so even if sales are approved as of Feb. 22, there won't be any dispensaries selling it.

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post #168

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How would you like people that aren't sociopaths to behave there differently? Be more self sufficient? Not believe everything written on the internet? This is a thread about an arbitration court what do you think people need to browse onion services? Is there any specific PSA in your post?

This isn’t about telling people to behave. It’s about not misleading them. > If you rely on an incentive model of being caught in order to behave, something darknet doesnt offer, that says more about you than anyone else I’d like people to recognize that this statement of yours is bullshit. The Darkweb’s lack of incentive not to misbehace conditions what it is used for and who frequents it. People can use this inform…

Honestly the statement was just to avoid other people derailing the conversation, unsuccessfully

Re: Dark Web – Justice League

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These kinds of alternative justice systems always seem fascinating to me. I feel like a sociological study on "alternative forms of justice" could be very fruitful.

There's been some good research into the history of legal systems. See David Friedman's book Legal Systems Very Different From Ours [1]. There's a small section about prisoners. But a new chapter could definitely be written about cyber-criminals! [1] http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Legal%20Systems/LegalSystemsCo...

Personal anecdote: quite a while ago I got thrown in jail in Thailand (80 people in a cell, a hole in the ground to shit in, one bowl of rice per day, sleep on the concrete floor kind of place).

My embassy was quite helpful in negotiating with the guards to get me in a "VIP" cell, which was a room within the cell run by some Iranians. They said if I paid them a certain sum, I'd be under their wing and they'd protect me.

Couple days later one of them woke me up and asked me to check if I had any cigarettes missing, which I did (not that I cared much). Someone had seen a Russian guy take some of my smokes while I was asleep and told the "boss". They went and beat the crap out of him.

The Iranians also had a line to the cleaning crew who would pass in front of the cell once a day. Every morning you could place an order for (almost) anything you wanted from the outside world. They'd take the payments, write it all down and pass it to the cleaning crew through the bars of the cell who would deliver it all the next day. So while most of our cell mates fought over bowls of rice, in the VIP room we had feasts of curries, fruit, soft drinks. It was like a banquet every day.

The main Iranian guy even had Russian girls come over but they couldn't enter the cells.

The day I got out one of them approached me and ever so gently and politely asked me "You are going home yes? Could I please have your towel?". He could have just taken it along with anything else I had but he stuck to the rules.

So yeah, these guys definitely had a legal system!

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Interestingly, Medieval Iceland had a polycentric legal system where you could sell the wrong done to you to someone who had more money to prosecute. There's an interesting discussion/description in "The Machinery of Freedom", a book about anarchocapitalism. It's freely available online - http://www.daviddfriedman.com/The_Machinery_of_Freedom_.pdf

That sounds similar to creditors selling the right to collect debt repayments to a debt collector, or patent holders selling their patents to a patent enforcement company or patent troll (usually the same).

Here in Belgium there's a platform on which you can sell invoices that have say a 90 day payment term to someone who'll give you say 95% of it, if you need that money immediately. They then get the full invoice after 90 days.

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That sounds similar to creditors selling the right to collect debt repayments to a debt collector, or patent holders selling their patents to a patent enforcement company or patent troll (usually the same).

Here in Belgium there's a platform on which you can sell invoices that have say a 90 day payment term to someone who'll give you say 95% of it, if you need that money immediately. They then get the full invoice after 90 days.

That's a very common form of trade finance worldwide, and is usually called "invoice discounting" or "receivables factoring" https://tradefinanceanalytics.com/what-is-factoring

Re: Dark Web – Justice League

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I live in NJ where weed is legal but you can't buy it (legally) so we are sort of in a weird spot. anyway, it makes me really not care about ordering weed on the dark web from CA. if the feds catch it, its an ounce of weed to a residence, they don't care and im not gonna go in front of some federal judge on federal drug crimes. if CA or NJ catch it, its legal there, who cares. but the site I use uses an escrow system…

There's such a thing as federally legal THC these days, and it can be shipped straight to your mailbox: https://moonwlkr.com/pages/moonwlkr-delta-8

not everyone is crazy for indica, my dude. Some of us would love that good old sativa that doesn't bring out the bees in the teeth.

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Obviously I am posting this from a throw-away (also, hail qubes) and am obscuring a few facts. Over a decade ago I was part of a illicit forum where goods and services were sold, and both parties had mandatory escrow with optional arbitration. Over my runtime I have settled between 1 and 100.000 ( ;) ) arbitration cases, ranging from a few cents to well over $100k. For those who may think they know what operation this was ... you probably never heard about it. All I can say that it wasn't ransomware, and nothing porn or trafficking related.

The entire topic interested me so much that I went our IRL to take courses in settling disputes and handling arbitration. Based on that I established rules to arbitrate and settle disputes by. Rules for both parties to interact, prior to sale of service/product and during arbitration.

Some cases took minutes to hours to settle, others days or weeks, sometimes even months. Sometimes people get incredibly emotionally involved for a few dollars, sometimes disputes for well over what I earned in a year, where solved by both parties only giving (yes/no) answers to my questions and inquiries, for them to request deletion of their accounts after the dispute was settled. The contents being mostly obscured by encryption, but only my rules allowed their commerce to flow in the first place.

I was tempted often to step in and steal money, but something told me that sitting out the experience would be so much more valuable for my moral compass and the understanding of people. I am happy it went that way, it did teach me so much about people, disputes, conflicts and problems. Now when I face problems and difficult characters in life, its like I have a cheat code of handling the situation.

The other thing I did learn during my ... lets call it 'tenure' was that this type of trade and commerce brings out the darkest characters and the darkest in people. That's another topic on its own ... I am happy to see this get attention on HN. This sort of "justice" has been around since the early 00's, preceding most darknet markets. And somehow I keep being drawn to them ... well until I got scared of by the FEDS (who of course always were around, and sometimes did bust people during ongoing disputes) and then my tenure was over. Good luck to those still in the game.

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There’s a book I really enjoyed called Narconomics. It helps explain all aspects of the drug trade through the lens of business. One of the most fascinating takeaways was how they handle “contract enforcement” in the absence of a legal system or courts (hint: Violence) I recall an anecdote that Mexican cartels would hire Mexicans —- and not Dutch —- in order to serve as drug mules smuggling product into Amsterdam. Du…

judgements from the usual court system are enforced by the police, who are authorized to use force - i.e. violence - in the event of non-compliance. this is not a unique feature of the drug trade.

While this is true, the quantity of the violence needed, and like, the legibility of the conditions under which violence is to be meted out, can be much better in the case of, like, laws and state, than,

well, perhaps if there was no state, there could be another mechanism which is comparable or better, but when contract enforcement in a particular area is excluded from state enforcement, while normal areas aren’t, I expect the violence used in that area to be worse.

Re: Dark Web – Justice League

#179

There's a good book by Kevin Poulsen called "The Kingpin: How one Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground" that is a bit out of date at this point (2011), but it goes into great length on all of the dynamics of the early forums where all of carding/spam/botnet operators did business. In a forum/marketplace like this, your reputation is worth a lot of money. And if you scam someone and get banned, s…

Great book, indeed dated because its pre-dark web (think a place like Hackforums, before Tor was widespread used -- though it did exist, as did Freenet).

The crown jewels in such a community is operator/admin access. For both police (basically, for infiltration), as well as for scammers (because they could create or kill credibility with sockpuppets, bans). Remember that's how Reddit was started (sockpuppets), and Assange did it as well.

Re: Dark Web – Justice League

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post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Belgium there's a platform on which you can sell invoices that have say a 90 day payment term to someone who'll give you say 95% of it, if you need that money immediately. They then get the full invoice after 90 days.

That's a very common form of trade finance worldwide, and is usually called "invoice discounting" or "receivables factoring" https://tradefinanceanalytics.com/what-is-factoring

For an overdue bill, the factor is called a debt collector. But it's roughly the same business.
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