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I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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The article is concise but missing a lot of real-life examples: * The highest paying software companies employ LeetCode style interview. That is off-putting to a lot of people even though the money would be super sweet to have. * Some wannabe startups also employ LeetCode style interview even though they don't pay anywhere near FAANG/Unicorns. * You know what's worst than LeetCode style interview? LeetCode style inte…

The companies that pay 80% of FAANG salaries without the LeetCode whiteboard bullshit are out there.

It's really not that hard to prep for interviews.... Why take the paycut?

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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That’s weird. I like money more than “work for cool stuff”. Cool stuff don’t pay bills. Heh, maybe this is why I am an average engineer.

On the flip side companies don’t really seem to care if you’re interested either. I applied to around 200 companies in the final 2 years of my data science undergrad and no matter how much interest I showed in the fields of my interest: stream processing, network analysis, and recommendation systems nobody really cared. I added projects and hackathons and applied directly to teams working on that stuff, never even go…

> Companies mostly care about whether you fit some pre defined funnel and can pass their interview hoops they don’t care about how interested you are or “how much value you can bring” like you read online.

I think this is overly cynical. Companies do want these things but at large companies you:

1. Cannot maintain a network of trust amongst people making hiring decisions to keep the bar high.

2. Want a plausibly "objective" process to avoid complaints or lawsuits for discrimination

This leads to modern hiring practices. Smart smaller companies put up fewer hoops, most aren't so smart and just ape the big companies not understanding the forces that led to those hiring practices.

If you can get a strong enough recommendation from someone within the central network of trust of an engineering organization you can skip interviews even at large companies like Google.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The companies that pay 80% of FAANG salaries without the LeetCode whiteboard bullshit are out there.

Do you have any pointers for those who’d like to filter for that?

I recently came across this list which might be useful: https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Is there a linear slope between awesomeness of work and salary? In that case, wouldn’t it theoretically be possible to convince an engineer to work for free given enough awesomeness? Or, conversely, convince them to work on something profoundly uninspiring given infinite salary?

Isn't that exactly how it is now?

for free given enough awesomeness = FOSS

something profoundly uninspiring given infinite salary = facebook

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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post #87

The article is concise but missing a lot of real-life examples: * The highest paying software companies employ LeetCode style interview. That is off-putting to a lot of people even though the money would be super sweet to have. * Some wannabe startups also employ LeetCode style interview even though they don't pay anywhere near FAANG/Unicorns. * You know what's worst than LeetCode style interview? LeetCode style inte…

People have been bitching about LC interviews for 10 years. That's eons in tech, yet companies continue to use it. Maybe, because it works extremely well? Tech companies are taking it in more every year.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The companies that pay 80% of FAANG salaries without the LeetCode whiteboard bullshit are out there.

Can confirm, we do a low-pressure, non-timed, non-puzzle, somewhat realistic, short take-home exercise. But we don't (and can't) add 20+% to your salary in RSUs.

20% seems very low to me. In the 2 FAANG's I've worked at, the RSU's ended up being 100+% of my salary (which was average for my level).

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that is accurate. I would say it is a combination of both. The article you link to obviously makes it sound like it's an exclusive function. But it simply dismisses the fact that not everyone can reasonably sustain the savings rates mentioned. Sure, there's reports of very motivated people that live on next to nothing and have a huge savings rate for the first 10 years of their working life, abstaining…

We all have to make the choice between prioritizing creature comforts and freedom. I chose freedom. While my colleagues were living in fancy high rise apartments, buying new gaming rigs and cars, taking extravagant international vacations, and getting married and having kids, I was living in a basement studio with my college mattress on the floor and no car for several years while biking to work. I'm retired and they…

> We all have to make the choice between prioritizing creature comforts and freedom.

Of course, this starts from the assumption that work is inherently an undesirable activity and that conversely, pleasurable activities are incompatible w/ work. IMHO, it's not necessarily black and white: it's certainly possible to find satisfaction/fulfillment in one's work (to the extent that some people even choose to work despite not having the financial need to). Personally, I try to find alignment between being a "productive member of society" and deriving happiness from my efforts (both in terms of my work output as well as material gain). I'm sure much more can be said about the drivers of motivation as it relates to finding the meaning of one's life, and the whole thing about life being about the journey, rather than the destination.

In terms of financial independence, I'd be wary of the word "freedom". It can be quite the loaded term, in the sense that one could equally argue that greatly restricting expenditure is "slavery to a run rate", whereas a steady income and a more lavish budget is "liberating". For someone like me who seeks well-roundedness, loaded terms irk me. Though to be clear, I'm not criticizing one lifestyle over another; both FIRE and career-ladder lifestyles are perfectly fine life choices IMHO.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The companies that pay 80% of FAANG salaries without the LeetCode whiteboard bullshit are out there.

Do they typically offer RSUs? I'm asking because my RSU awards double the total compensation, so if you're counting 80% of just the salary part, then that number would end up being 40% in my case (and I assume for everyone else at my level).

My employer offers RSUs and is a public company.
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