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I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by jonny_eh »

srcreigh wrote: post #45
thedougd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was once told recruiters did this because they didn't want you reading the email and heading straight to the company's site to apply. If you applied directly, the recruiter was out of the loop and thus out of a commission. I suppose I _might_ be able to negotiate that commission in the form of a larger signing bonus. I doubt that's a winning strategy. It seems like it would usually be in the best interest of the po…

> I suppose I _might_ be able to negotiate that commission Asking for a friend. Does anybody know what this commission is?

30% of the engineer’s first year salary.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by ikiris »

Waterluvian wrote: post #15

I’ve gotten 7 recruitment emails since Sunday and none of them have come close to sufficiently explaining what the company or job is for me to even consider responding. It’s bizarre how secretive they are. I imagine the recruiters are looking out for their own interests. Recruiters are in the way.

I actually had a recuiter get angry at me recently for asking them for a basic job description and salary after their cold email had literally zero information other than the expectation I'd set up a call with them for a "very competitive role".

Like, I just don't understand the audacity of most of them. Especially when almost invariably their competitive pay is 30% of what even base level fangs would offer. Its a complete waste of everyone's time.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by bsder »

I would also comment that a lot of engineers decamped for FAANG-land software jobs.

Software pays way better than hardware in Silicon Valley. I would argue that the current engineering "shortage" is because a bunch of hardware companies haven't adjusted to the fact that they're competing against the FAANGs.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by civilized »

Waterluvian wrote: post #15

I’ve gotten 7 recruitment emails since Sunday and none of them have come close to sufficiently explaining what the company or job is for me to even consider responding. It’s bizarre how secretive they are. I imagine the recruiters are looking out for their own interests. Recruiters are in the way.

These are the trash recruiters. The good ones are trusted by hiring managers so you have a better chance getting noticed by going through the recruiter.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by vmception »

Good article, hiring is very inefficient and that is offputting.

I would rather do anything else. Try my hand at the markets while traveling, launch a project or two, fly a girl out for free using my rewards points and be a fun host that’s not preoccupied with meetings.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by Waterluvian »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #50
Waterluvian wrote: post #15

I’ve gotten 7 recruitment emails since Sunday and none of them have come close to sufficiently explaining what the company or job is for me to even consider responding. It’s bizarre how secretive they are. I imagine the recruiters are looking out for their own interests. Recruiters are in the way.

As a rule, I don’t trust any third party recruiters but that generally limits me to mid sized and up companies unless I actively seek them out. On the other hand, I get an email from Amazon recruitment nearly every day and I have zero desire to work the bozos.

Yup. AWS really wants to hire me as another cog. I’ll pass.

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by jaredtking »

srcreigh wrote: post #45
thedougd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was once told recruiters did this because they didn't want you reading the email and heading straight to the company's site to apply. If you applied directly, the recruiter was out of the loop and thus out of a commission. I suppose I _might_ be able to negotiate that commission in the form of a larger signing bonus. I doubt that's a winning strategy. It seems like it would usually be in the best interest of the po…

> I suppose I _might_ be able to negotiate that commission Asking for a friend. Does anybody know what this commission is?

30% of the new hire's first year salary

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by steve76 »

hguant wrote: post #8

There comes a point where the money just isn't a motivating factor anymore, and companies are struggling to figure out how to work in that environment. This bit from the author hits the nail on the head: >Is an extra $10k per year worth learning a new org, a new skillset, a new set of expectations, a new set of coworkers, and a new boss? For many engineers, the answer is: “No.” Yes I could quit and get a ~20k raise b…

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Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by api »

symlinkk wrote: post #48
hguant wrote: post #8

There comes a point where the money just isn't a motivating factor anymore, and companies are struggling to figure out how to work in that environment. This bit from the author hits the nail on the head: >Is an extra $10k per year worth learning a new org, a new skillset, a new set of expectations, a new set of coworkers, and a new boss? For many engineers, the answer is: “No.” Yes I could quit and get a ~20k raise b…

You must live in the sticks or something. I make well over 6 figures and can’t afford a house.

What do you consider the sticks?

Re: I think I know why you can't hire engineers right now

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Post by spinningD20 »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #50
Waterluvian wrote: post #15

I’ve gotten 7 recruitment emails since Sunday and none of them have come close to sufficiently explaining what the company or job is for me to even consider responding. It’s bizarre how secretive they are. I imagine the recruiters are looking out for their own interests. Recruiters are in the way.

As a rule, I don’t trust any third party recruiters but that generally limits me to mid sized and up companies unless I actively seek them out. On the other hand, I get an email from Amazon recruitment nearly every day and I have zero desire to work the bozos.

It's *Bezos. (joke)

In all seriousness, my experience with third party recruiters overall has been quite good. One sought me out and continued to follow up until it sounded like a good deal, and in the end I won a sign-on bonus, decent salary, and felt like I started a good working relationship with the recruiter themselves, too.

Now, this guy hits me up for when he has potential matches for my team. It's been really good. I'm sure like most things, there are good recruiters and bad ones, regardless of first or third party.

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