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Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#122
The thing about math is that it just boils down to simple rules that have wide ranging consequences and interrelations.

To keep from being overwhelmed, pick a problem and try to focus on only the information relevant to that problem.

I sucked at math as a small child because the social message teachers give that math is hard did not really make sense in light of boring arithmetic so I thought I was missing something. Turns out I wasn’t.

Go into it driven by curiosity. Focus on building strong fundamentals; algebra and trigonometry are very useful. Then look into calculus or linear algebra.

Make sure to solve actual problems for practice. But spend plenty of time researching. Take notes. Write out all the steps in your problem solving so that you can debug any mistakes.

Lastly, have fun! There’s a lot of neat math out there, treat yourself to some research into whatever is interesting to you when you get sick of grinding on the fundamentals.

Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#123

The thing about math is that it just boils down to simple rules that have wide ranging consequences and interrelations. To keep from being overwhelmed, pick a problem and try to focus on only the information relevant to that problem. I sucked at math as a small child because the social message teachers give that math is hard did not really make sense in light of boring arithmetic so I thought I was missing something.…

Yes. I'd encourage people to not be afraid to check out random math topics from wolfram's site. I killed a lot of hours in undergrad that way and it's helpful in non-obvious ways.

Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#125

Chances are you actually suck at algebra. I went through this issue when I started electrical engineering as part of an overly elaborate midlife crisis. I got the book in the bookstore that was supposed to bring you up to high school level and just did all of the exercises. Then I did a whole lot of exercises for the introductory university math courses. Basically it is something you have to grind at. Once you do eno…

The problem for me is identifying where exactly in my mathematical fundamentals things fall apart (like with prime numbers, some basic arithmetic, geometry) that makes higher-level math a struggle conceptually. It's always felt like there were holes in my fundamentals. I suspect the only way to figure this out is to go back and do everything again either through Khan Academy or books. Does anyone else have this issue…

Try ALEKS. It's basically an online grind session that identifies which underlying concepts you've got wrong or haven't got, and builds you toward them organically. I recently used it to get myself sufficiently intimate with trigonometry that I don't have to stop and look things up all the time "just in case." It's not free but it works well: https://www.aleks.com

Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#127

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3Blue1Brown series on linear algebra is an amazing resource as a starting point. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0-GT3co4r2y2YErbmuJw2L5t...

It's good for concepts but you can watch all his videos, think you know what linear algebra is about, and still not know how to calculate anything. You have to do exercises if you want to actually learn math.

I made that mistake when I started university. I managed quite well in high school without doing lots of exercises. Didn’t work quite as well later and I had to sit and really work through the exercises.

Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#128

Chances are you actually suck at algebra. I went through this issue when I started electrical engineering as part of an overly elaborate midlife crisis. I got the book in the bookstore that was supposed to bring you up to high school level and just did all of the exercises. Then I did a whole lot of exercises for the introductory university math courses. Basically it is something you have to grind at. Once you do eno…

The problem for me is identifying where exactly in my mathematical fundamentals things fall apart (like with prime numbers, some basic arithmetic, geometry) that makes higher-level math a struggle conceptually. It's always felt like there were holes in my fundamentals. I suspect the only way to figure this out is to go back and do everything again either through Khan Academy or books. Does anyone else have this issue…

There can be quite a few techniques, theorems, and facts at play while working through any given problem.

For those who are uninitiated all of these tools can be difficult to remember (long-term) and correctly apply (sometimes creatively) to arrive at a solution.

Dyscalculia and poor working memory can be issues if your aim is speed and conciseness which is critical during an exam but not as necessary if your goal is to simply understand at a deep level.

Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#129
Have you considered a tutor? You can probably find someone who tutors both CS and math, who should have an idea of what you want.

You might also look at summer school courses at a local community college. I took statistics that way. There were a number of older people in the course.

Re: Ask HN: I suck at math, where to start?

#130

Out of curiosity, what does it look like to not-suck at math? Do you wake up in the morning and are reminded of constants and theorems in everyday things and laugh empathetically with donuts as you recognize your shared absurd topological homology, or go to the office and automatically recognize what's possible and not from its implied complexity class in office conversations? Are you checking Bayesian priors in your…

I have ten or so tantalizing questions which I don't know how to solve stuck in the back of my head at all times. Some of these are truly hopeless (i.e. P vs NP), others seem like something I can probably figure out but just haven't found the right perspective yet (these tend to be more obscure). This list of questions changes over time - sometimes problems actually get solved, sometimes I lose interest in them, sometimes I learn about a completely new area and add a bunch of new problems to my list of things to think about.

If I'm at a social gathering and the people are boring, I take out a piece of paper and start trying to visualize some aspect of a problem I've been stuck on for a while, or compute what happens in some particular special situation. In order to carry out the computations, I find myself making up paper-and-pencil algorithms, typically variations of dynamic programming with some specialized bookkeeping notation so that I can see at a glance what is going on on the paper. My scribbles probably only make sense to me - lots of bipartite graphs with labeled vertices, or directed graphs with decorations on their edges, or sequences of column vectors full of letters instead of numbers with groups of little dots underneath them, or attempts to draw small three-uniform hypergraphs...

Every so often I manage to rephrase one of the problems which is stuck in the back of my head in a new way. Then I think, hey, wait - maybe someone has studied this type of problem (i.e. the rephrased problem) before! I search around, and find some research area that is almost but not completely unlike what I was hoping for, and try to read some introductory material about it. Maybe I download a textbook on, say, "unification", and just read the chapter on "confluent rewriting systems", since I think those might help with the algebra problem I'm interested in. It doesn't, but it gives me a new pencil-and-paper algorithm to play with, so I fill up a blank piece of paper trying it out.

I also have an infinite backlog of books on math that is just plain interesting to me, but which I don't expect to find any use for. Things like advanced set theory, which is interesting from a philosophical point of view (how do we come to be convinced of new axioms? Is it possible to become convinced that "measurable cardinals" really exist?), or average case complexity (is providing a theoretical foundation to cryptography hopeless?), or statistical mechanics (what are all those physicists talking about when they bring up the "Ising model"?). I go through these at a much slower pace, sometimes only getting through the introduction before I have to put them to the side to focus on other things, but occasionally I get a solid two weeks of uninterrupted time to focus on one of these and blow through... well, the first two-thirds of a book, putting off the last third to some time when I actually need to know it.

About once a year, I'm in a situation (often a conference, sometimes an unusually interesting party) where there is someone else I can talk to about my interests.

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