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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

dasil003 wrote: post #10
TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Because they live there and have relationships, it's very different from a tourist who just looks like a cash machine.

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker’s Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this and other hi-jinx as the Fall election nears. It’s going to be a messy one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJm08zHWaKA

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

#92

Post by noduerme »

anonporridge wrote: post #83
vanusa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it's written by anthropologists. If you look at how our species came to self-organize, there has always been a strong component of innate, voluntary cooperation (and of course violent subjugation as well). It's a mixed bag for sure, but I just think your characterization is way too oversimplified -- and it probably wouldn't get too far you tried to pass it by people who have devoted their lives to studying t…

Who pays the anthropologists? And what cultural biases do they infuse in their work? Modern gangs also sometimes organize via voluntary cooperation. Their ability to commit violence and control their territory is merely the foundation of their legitimacy in any non violent agreement. Same foundation as all "official" governments.

What you're saying applies to some modern and historical states, but not all. Would you consider the IRA in the early 1900s to be nothing more than a gang looking to control territory? Or were they an independence movement? What about the Continental Congress? What about the Viet Cong? The former two led to a democracy and the latter to an authoritarian dictatorship; all engaged in violence; but none was a gang whose primary motivation was to gain personal wealth by criminal activity. The IRA would be the closest to a "gang" but even there, the state they produced renounced violence.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

lbrito wrote: post #30

Such a waste on a great subject. There's this huge social and economic change in Brazil over the last 10 or so years where dozens of millions of people are acceding to the digital world; broadband (usually 4G) access to the internet is becoming part of their daily lives. This has huge consequences and tons of opportunity. Nubank is a quick example I can think of that knew how to take advantage of this movement and is…

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls.

The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker’s Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this and other hi-jinx as the Fall election nears. It’s going to be a messy one.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MJm08zHWaKA

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by dyingkneepad »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #41
speeder wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from Brazil and to be honest the government push for this is kinda silly. There are other problems to solve first. There was an event I participated about this, I was teaching about gamedev using opensource tools, a lot of people paid to go, the government then brought in a ton of people from the favelas as part of their "digital inclusion" program, although I was happy to teach them, later I heard many of them…

It sounds like Lula is leading in the polls, and it sounds like the best thing for the working people of Brazil is to elect him.

He is not a genocide but is also a corrupt guy in a corrupt party (although it's clear he will be better for the working class than Bolsonaro, but I bet even your mother as President would be better for the working class than Bolsonaro). Option #3 (Sérgio Moro) has also been shown to work outside the law, so the "corrupt" label aplies to him as well. No other candidate has any chances of winning.

Regardless of the president, the people are going to elect the very same senators and Congressman, so there is just no hope.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

frozenlettuce wrote: post #33
lbrito wrote: post #30

Such a waste on a great subject. There's this huge social and economic change in Brazil over the last 10 or so years where dozens of millions of people are acceding to the digital world; broadband (usually 4G) access to the internet is becoming part of their daily lives. This has huge consequences and tons of opportunity. Nubank is a quick example I can think of that knew how to take advantage of this movement and is…

as someone who had a previous carreer in journalism (and also happen to be a Brazilian as well), the media will always portrait the country in a way to make it seem "exotic" in order to gain more attention. that's why you will _never_ see news articles about boring countryside towns

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls.

The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker’s Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this and other hi-jinx as the Fall election nears. It’s going to be a messy one.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MJm08zHWaKA

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

tdrgabi wrote: post #2

I have mixed feelings about the article. I was curious to read about a tech boom. They described a twitch player which earns enough to be afloat. A gaming pro team and an artist selling nft's. Is it just an add for nft's or a submarine piece for afro games.

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls.

The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker’s Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this and other hi-jinx as the Fall election nears. It’s going to be a messy one.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MJm08zHWaKA

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

newaccount2021 wrote: post #7

people from around the world hungry to pull themselves up from the bottom... meanwhile in NYC and Oakland, high school students are on "strike" and walking out of class over bogus covid hysteria (aka a legit excuse to combine virtue signalling and goofing off)...apparently we must grovel to their demands as the world owes so much to, and depends so much on, the American teen fast forward twenty years, who will have r…

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls.

The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker’s Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this and other hi-jinx as the Fall election nears. It’s going to be a messy one.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MJm08zHWaKA

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by dragonwriter »

noduerme wrote: post #92
anonporridge wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays the anthropologists? And what cultural biases do they infuse in their work? Modern gangs also sometimes organize via voluntary cooperation. Their ability to commit violence and control their territory is merely the foundation of their legitimacy in any non violent agreement. Same foundation as all "official" governments.

What you're saying applies to some modern and historical states, but not all. Would you consider the IRA in the early 1900s to be nothing more than a gang looking to control territory? Or were they an independence movement? What about the Continental Congress? What about the Viet Cong? The former two led to a democracy and the latter to an authoritarian dictatorship; all engaged in violence; but none was a gang whose…

> The former two led to a democracy

The Continental Congress did not lead a democracy, any more than the Permanent Council of the Organization of American States does.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by smoe »

vanusa wrote: post #82
anonporridge wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our history books tend to glorify ancient gangs and call them things like "nobles" and "royalty". But if you look beneath the veneer, they were gangs very much like the street gangs and crime organizations we have now. History is written by the victors.

Actually it's written by anthropologists. If you look at how our species came to self-organize, there has always been a strong component of innate, voluntary cooperation (and of course violent subjugation as well). It's a mixed bag for sure, but I just think your characterization is way too oversimplified -- and it probably wouldn't get too far you tried to pass it by people who have devoted their lives to studying t…

Victors don't necessarily write the history, but they greatly influence what part of history survives and how it is presented to the general public.

Trying to get rid other cultures herritage is quite a common activity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyed_heritage

History classes in primary and secondary school are often extremely light on any criticism of the own nations past if mentioned at all. In my own case in Switzerland, some things we were taught were outright lies, fabricated by a historian from Zürich almost a century earlier to promote patriotism. The European colonial period is another thing that got completely misrepresented for example.

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