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DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by icapulet2 »

anonporridge wrote: post #11
foepys wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since Tesla is a very young and upscale brand deaths per mile would be very misleading. You need to also account for price range, car type, and age of the vehicle. There is quite the difference getting into an accident with a 20 year old Honda Accord and a 3 year old Model 3.

Ok, still, try to compare it to equivalent brands and socio-economic groups. My point is that anti Tesla self driving sentiment is almost exclusively driven by emotion, not hard data. Show me the data that justifies why I need to be afraid of public FSD.

https://www.tesladeaths.com/miles.html https://www.tesladeaths.com/vehicleyears.html

Tesla doesn't release total yearly mileage data anymore so there isn't much to work with. There is some IIHS data and from that Tesla models do worse than comparable vehicles without a doubt (https://www.tesladeaths.com/index.html#FAQ).

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Post by MarkMc »

anonporridge wrote: post #2

Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.

The problem is deaths are so infrequent that it takes many years to get a statistically representative sample. Perhaps at-fault collisions per mile would be a better metric?

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Post by MarkMc »

Why doesn't the government force Tesla to do a randomised controlled trial? You get in a Tesla and ask it to drive you to your destination. The Tesla flips a digital coin and either agrees to drive you, or tells you to drive yourself. After 10 million such trips you can see who is the better driver - Tesla or human?

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Post by mavhc »

simion314 wrote: post #97
mavhc wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do all the other car companies provide those stats?

No because: 1 they are not alpha/beta testing on public roads 2 not all cars track you, my brother Ford won't call to the homebase with crash info when he hit a dog.

So what's the relevance of the site, that's for non self driving Teslas.

Why would the model/price/class of the car affect the crash rate of a self driving car?

Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by mavhc »

MarkMc wrote: post #103

Why doesn't the government force Tesla to do a randomised controlled trial? You get in a Tesla and ask it to drive you to your destination. The Tesla flips a digital coin and either agrees to drive you, or tells you to drive yourself. After 10 million such trips you can see who is the better driver - Tesla or human?

Because it's in beta.

Once self driving is a thing the government should make the cars do a billion mile driving test in a simulation they design, with all possible crazy things happening

Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by mavhc »

emodendroket wrote: post #28
bryanlarsen wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds a lot better than the tens of thousands that die with humans at the wheel.

Not if you start comparing against miles driven it doesn't.

So far FSD beta has killed 0 people, and other FSD software has killed 1 person. So they seem to be ahead.
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