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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by simplestats » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 10:28 PM UTC

medvezhenok wrote: post #689

simplestats wrote: post #318

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So labor is wealth now? This is the same argument again. I could also discover oil on my property, or build a bigger house on it with my own labor, or all the other houses could get destroyed in an earthquake. Or, on the other side, someone could invent a new process or tool that makes your skills obsolete. Or a million immigrants could show up and bid labor prices down. These all change the amount of labor I will wa…

Yes, real wealth (and paper wealth) shifts around constantly depending on external factors, including all of the factors you listed above. Wealth is just optionality - if my house is worth $1M I have more options than if the my house is worth $500K, even if it is the same exact house. Yes, labor is how wealth is produced, but in a sense, an individual's labor is more than that: a person's unrealized wealth is the dis…

> Yes, labor is how wealth is produced, but in a sense, an individual's labor is more than that: a person's unrealized wealth is the discounted future value of their lifetime income minus necessary survival expenses. That's not a constant number - it depends on the individual's choices, but nevertheless, that is some number. And that number has some associated optionality.

Economics is the study of scarcity. Wealth is real stuff like the house.

"Unrealized wealth" or "The potential to create wealth" or "the future value of your skills" shifts around, sure. Not the same thing as actual wealth though. And these shifts of theoretical outcomes are not transfers of wealth. This sounds like straining to fit something to emotional language.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by aiisjustanif » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 1:38 AM UTC

watwut wrote: post #599

aiisjustanif wrote: post #533

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Did you just pin one of the reason for suicides on online games? What is this politician talking points from the early 2000’s? I promise you kids have been forming groups and have had feelings of exclusion that existed well before online games. The root cause here wouldn’t be online games in of themselves.

I literally did the opposite and said that online gaming helped people to socialize in lockdowns. I also made hypothesis it explains some gender disparity in suicides - boys play more likely and it allowed them to keep talking to friends which made them suicide less. And for the record, I do strongly dislike gaming, surrounding culture and how gamers act when they play more then a little. It just was not my topic now…

Ah my mistake sorry.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by fny » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 10:32 AM UTC

tzs wrote: post #142

fny wrote: post #41

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There is no evidence society would have collapsed. Many countries do not have the health infrastructure the US has and have not undergone societal collapse. Yes more elderly would have died. More people with comorbities would have died. But societal collapse? The shutdown lasted for far too long. Mock Florida all you want, but they weathered the pandemic far better than many states with strict lockdown regimes (Calif…

California did way better than Florida [1]. [1] http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-...

Look at per capita deaths by state. Florida's policies have worked well enough.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by enraged_camel » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 8:50 PM UTC

blindmute wrote: post #615

astrange wrote: post #309

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And every Australian I know was happy about it too. Australia is very similar to the US, but one difference is that they're less oppositional. Helps that it actually seemed to work though I'm surprised there hasn't been more objection to the lack of tourism. Of course, it's ineffective against omicron which is just too infectious to be stopped, and they aren't doing it now.

There have been multiple massive protests about that in Australia throughout last year.

That's not really a lockdown though. You could, for example, still go outside your house whenever you wanted. In many parts of Australia though, you couldn't even go to the park to meet someone.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by CRConrad » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 2:30 AM UTC

simplestats wrote: post #318

medvezhenok wrote: post #174

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It is actually a wealth transfer. Think of houses as denominated not in USD, but in labor hours (let's say median wage). If the house price appreciates in labor hours, that is actually a wealth transfer from those performing labor to those holding on to capital (and vice versa). In reality it's a little bit more complicated since the financing cost of the house has to be considered (principal + interest over the life…

So labor is wealth now? This is the same argument again. I could also discover oil on my property, or build a bigger house on it with my own labor, or all the other houses could get destroyed in an earthquake. Or, on the other side, someone could invent a new process or tool that makes your skills obsolete. Or a million immigrants could show up and bid labor prices down. These all change the amount of labor I will wa…

> So labor is wealth now? This is the same argument

...as Marx made, yes. And he was a pretty sharp cookie, so maybe the argument is correct.