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Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

speeder wrote: post #32
TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

I am from Brazil and to be honest the government push for this is kinda silly. There are other problems to solve first. There was an event I participated about this, I was teaching about gamedev using opensource tools, a lot of people paid to go, the government then brought in a ton of people from the favelas as part of their "digital inclusion" program, although I was happy to teach them, later I heard many of them…

It sounds like Lula is leading in the polls, and it sounds like the best thing for the working people of Brazil is to elect him.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by csdvrx »

newaccount2021 wrote: post #7

people from around the world hungry to pull themselves up from the bottom... meanwhile in NYC and Oakland, high school students are on "strike" and walking out of class over bogus covid hysteria (aka a legit excuse to combine virtue signalling and goofing off)...apparently we must grovel to their demands as the world owes so much to, and depends so much on, the American teen fast forward twenty years, who will have r…

I vouched for your comment, since it talks about a very possible risk: replacement at the low end (and little by little towards the upper end) of WFH techies by other WFH techies from lower cost countries that won't ever think about this union stuff.

China has proved outsourcing is a valid path for growth as people learn the technology little-by-little to do what they need: these game streamers derided by other HN comments will certainly learn how to reinstall Windows and drivers, then how to deal with their fans, then how to make their website (if only to reduce costs/keep more profits) etc

And even if they only learn one of these (say, dealing with fans), personally I'd be happy more than happy to hire them as a community manager if the price is fair.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by cpach »

TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

I don’t have first-hand knowledge of this but according to what I have read about the favelas it’s like a shadow society basically. I.e. they have their own rules, companies, infrastructure. IIRC the book I read it in was probably Stewart Brand’s “Whole Earth Discipline”.

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Post by pelasaco »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #38
xwdv wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Killing is legal in the favelas?

Nope.

What means legal? It is part of Brazil, and therefore the same rules applies there, so its not legal. If there is murder in Favela that the Police cannot investigate and punish the responsible for that? For sure. Specially if who died was criminal.

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Post by cpach »

smoe wrote: post #26
TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Don't know much about Rio, but what I have seen and heard elsewhere in Latin America over the years. Often times organized crimes substitutes an absent government and enforce their own set of law and order in the community. They can't afford to just rob the people blind as sometimes portrayed in media. They rely on a somewhat sybmiotic relationship with the "citizens" to act as messengers, human surveillance cameras,…

I guess that’s how it has also been in parts of Italy (and maybe still is, to some extent…?)

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Post by whatshisface »

csdvrx wrote: post #37
speeder wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am from Brazil and to be honest the government push for this is kinda silly. There are other problems to solve first. There was an event I participated about this, I was teaching about gamedev using opensource tools, a lot of people paid to go, the government then brought in a ton of people from the favelas as part of their "digital inclusion" program, although I was happy to teach them, later I heard many of them…

> After he recorded it, the congressman was seen with a new car... meanwhile the drug lord seemly dunked the entire 10k into meat, charcoal and booze and threw a huge barbecue party to the locals. It seems to me that one care more about his constituents that the other!

Something interesting in American history circa a century ago was the party machine, which combined both roles into one. The fact that it's not around today could be a sign of either a decline in corruption, or a decline in the importance of getting voters to be really strongly on your side (as opposed to being 1% less bad than the other candidate).

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Post by Carioca »

TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Crime syndicates keep the peace in these communities, and they can be negotiated with.

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Post by wolverine876 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Any time you hear those extremes about any place - e.g., lots of people say it about parts of American cities - it's nonsense. People live there; they are biologically the same as you; they live, breathe and think, they not complete idiots. They aren't organizing, tolerating or sticking around a situation like that.

(That said, I know nothing about favelas or what is wise or unwise to do in them.)

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Post by nopenopenopeno »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #19

Wow, this is fascinating. Does anyone know of any mentorship programs that help youth in under-developed countries who are working to get into tech? I would love to participate in that kind of program, but the only ones I've seen are company based (ie: internal internship programs.)

This article is propaganda ahead of the upcoming election. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and the Worker’s Party is leading in the polls. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker’s Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this as the Fall election nears.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by pelasaco »

dudus wrote: post #25
pelasaco wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you live there and you earn your respect from the community, you are safe. In most favelas, criminals are not allowed to steal from other residents. They have their own rules. The real metaverse.

The drug dealers for all the bad they do they also support and help the community a lot. This is part of their strategy, the community in turn protect them, hide them. In many favelas the drug lord is the law, and the law is don't poop where you eat. You may be able to steal from people outside the favela but not inside the favela, if you do the punishment can be medieval, like cut hands or even death. It's not only…

I spent some years in Sao Paulo and in Rio too. I had many friends and visited almost daily the Morro do Cantagalo, a huge favela there. You can live pretty well there, but they make sure that you know who is the boss there.
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