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Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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The image of someone sitting in a shack with VR gear on was thought provoking. Will the adaptation of this technology accelerate quality of life improvements, or will it be an opiate of the masses who would rather exist virtually than in the real world? Could this remove political desire for rapid change?

> Could this remove political desire for rapid change?

No, since in the end you do have to return to the "real" world. Unless we can upload ourselves to the metaverse, a majority of humans will continue to want change in meatspace.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another perspective is that there are people who prefer to do those jobs (instead of say, working in Amazon warehouse) but can't because it's cheaper (and logistically possible) to outsource to another country.

But also on some level why in the world are they more deserving of the job then the potentially better qualified foreigner just because where they happened to be born.

They are not. At some level, we accept that there are a lot of inequities in our current sociopolitical systems.

What China (and the Asian Tigers) have shown us is that it is a feasible path to industrialize though. But its possible there are better ways to get to higher standards of living, we just haven't tried them yet.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

#23

The image of someone sitting in a shack with VR gear on was thought provoking. Will the adaptation of this technology accelerate quality of life improvements, or will it be an opiate of the masses who would rather exist virtually than in the real world? Could this remove political desire for rapid change?

>Will the adaptation of this technology accelerate quality of life improvements?

No.

Things favelas need, in order of importance:

1. Jobs

2. Jobs

3. Jobs

4. Decent waste disposal

5. Decent public infrastructure - mass transit, daycare, health clinics, schools, etc.

6. Decent public services - police, postal office, social service workers, etc.

7. Etc

8. ...

...

Infinite - VR gear with SV technobabble, MMORPG, play-to-earn BS.

Source: I am Brazilian.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

#24

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Because they live there and have relationships, it's very different from a tourist who just looks like a cash machine.

They may be a degree of liability involved too - take/encourage/let tourists go there and it could have consequences for the tour operator?

I am very much not a lawyer.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

#25

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

if you live there and you earn your respect from the community, you are safe. In most favelas, criminals are not allowed to steal from other residents. They have their own rules. The real metaverse.

The drug dealers for all the bad they do they also support and help the community a lot. This is part of their strategy, the community in turn protect them, hide them. In many favelas the drug lord is the law, and the law is don't poop where you eat. You may be able to steal from people outside the favela but not inside the favela, if you do the punishment can be medieval, like cut hands or even death. It's not only for residents though. Even as a tourist you are probably safe in a favela, it's their interest you feel safe so you don't feel intimidated to go buy drugs. But again after living in Rio and São Paulo for many years I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Don't know much about Rio, but what I have seen and heard elsewhere in Latin America over the years.

Often times organized crimes substitutes an absent government and enforce their own set of law and order in the community. They can't afford to just rob the people blind as sometimes portrayed in media. They rely on a somewhat sybmiotic relationship with the "citizens" to act as messengers, human surveillance cameras, warning them from unknown people entering, making false statements to the police etc. The gangs are often much more effective at crime prevention than the government, they often invest more locally than the government.

A big chunk of the violet crimes comes from conflicts between gangs. If you are part of the community and stay in line you can actually be pretty safe. As a tourist on the other hand, you are fair game.

Obviously, it is not everything is rosy and nice, but in my opinion one of the big challenges in facing organized crime, is that the governments don't actually have a believable improvement to offer to the people, so the locals will often defend the current situation.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you live there and you earn your respect from the community, you are safe. In most favelas, criminals are not allowed to steal from other residents. They have their own rules. The real metaverse.

The real metaverse? You mean... a community?

no, more like a meta universe. Running inside Brazil, but with their own set of rules and tradition. For some it is a Dystopian reality. For others, just another day in the office.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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post #20

I cannot take someone who calls himself a "crypto artist" seriously.

Commenting on crypto in bio is 2022 HN's version of 2014 HN's commenting on site's CSS: "Good article, but black font on white bg makes this literally unreadable for me."

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

#30
Such a waste on a great subject.

There's this huge social and economic change in Brazil over the last 10 or so years where dozens of millions of people are acceding to the digital world; broadband (usually 4G) access to the internet is becoming part of their daily lives. This has huge consequences and tons of opportunity. Nubank is a quick example I can think of that knew how to take advantage of this movement and is now a billion-dollar company expanding through all Latam.

But no, instead they decide to spotlight game streamers.

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