YouTube is major conduit of fake news, factcheckers say

Post by marginalia_nu » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #38

marginalia_nu wrote: post #37

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Here is a more nuanced take: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/facts/ There is serious problems with facts merely being true statements if you start poking at the edge cases a bit. Consider that there are things that are, and statements that are true. If the two are the same, then all statements that are true must also be things that are. But it is true that if I were to lick my own forehead, it would become wet; ye…

I totally understand your standpoint and I will dive deeper with your provided link but as I said before for the general public a true statement is indeed a fact. And just for shits and giggles https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/03/man-claims-to-be-only-person-... haha

Post by pcdoodle » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 3:39 PM UTC

wanda wrote: post #40

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #29

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If I take 200mg of cyanid I am dead that's a fact.

That would be a fact only after you did it, and it's a fact only to those who witness it. It could never be a fact to you, because if you're dead, you'll be quite incapable of knowing it to be fact, and if you survive, it will be wrong. The person with whom you're debating appears to have a philosophical understanding (likely logical positivist or early Wittgensteinian) of the term "fact" rather than the common dicti…

Post by marginalia_nu » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 3:45 PM UTC

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #42

marginalia_nu wrote: post #41

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Isn't that the entire point of this "fact" checking, to raise the truth above the myriad of things the general public merely believes to be true?

I believe you have it in reverse. "fact" checking is there to show a minority of people that the information they are about to consume is against what is believed to be true by the scientific community and the public at this point in time.

Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo » Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 4:00 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #47

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #42

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I believe you have it in reverse. "fact" checking is there to show a minority of people that the information they are about to consume is against what is believed to be true by the scientific community and the public at this point in time.

Surely, what is true is not determined by what the majority believes?