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Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

#151

yeah, that's going to work. just like outlawing porn sites that wouldn't use a german age verification system ;)

iPhone users have no sideloading capabilities and for androids you need to be at least a bit tech savvy. speaking only for mobile access if telegram gets dropped from the app stores it would shrink the user base.

It is possible for iPhone. But as you say, you need to be tech savvy for that.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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You can sideload apps on ios without even being jailbroken using sideloadly or altstore.

So you need Apple Developer account and these apps sign ipas using your own key?

No, I don't need an apple developer account. Any regular apple id works.

Yes, they get signed with my own self-generated key.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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Readers beware: Don't get fooled by this comment. These "Spaziergänge" are an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more. The far right has found "new friends" in the people critizing the Covid rules of the government. They are now marching side by side, obviously trying to make their far right positions look "not that bad" by blending in with the others. Yesterday they were marchin…

Not agreeing with your world view does not make people "an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more". You just show your ignorance and the lack of accepting a difference in opinion.

They have people running around with "Reichsflagge". There are people from 3. Weg, a known Neo-Nazi party. There are people from AfD, another Ultra-Conservative right extremist party. There are people from "Die Basis", a party full of Nazis and conspiracy nutjobs. There are people holding anti-vaxx signs. They are calling to bring in children as human shields. They are calling for disassembly of the government.

But sure, it's just a "difference in opinion".

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

#154

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Readers beware: Don't get fooled by this comment. These "Spaziergänge" are an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more. The far right has found "new friends" in the people critizing the Covid rules of the government. They are now marching side by side, obviously trying to make their far right positions look "not that bad" by blending in with the others. Yesterday they were marchin…

The answer to that is to counterorganise, civil disruption of their protests by other members of society, not repression by the government.

Generally yes, but once certain people get violent or disobey specific rules, it is the job of the government to stop that. Otherwise things escalate badly.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

#155

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Not agreeing with your world view does not make people "an unholy mixture of racists, anti-democratic groups, anti-vaxxers and lots more". You just show your ignorance and the lack of accepting a difference in opinion.

They have people running around with "Reichsflagge". There are people from 3. Weg, a known Neo-Nazi party. There are people from AfD, another Ultra-Conservative right extremist party. There are people from "Die Basis", a party full of Nazis and conspiracy nutjobs. There are people holding anti-vaxx signs. They are calling to bring in children as human shields. They are calling for disassembly of the government. But s…

You make it sound as if this was the majority but it is not by a long shot.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

#156
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"I want to ban the other guy's political speech" is business as usual for centuries even in the "free" west. Whats new is "I want to band all criticism of my religion", that aspect is new for the "free" west.

So leaking addresses of politicians you don't like and calling on your day by day getting more aggressive and extreme far right telegram group is okay for you?

This is just another version of the "so you don't care about the children?" argument.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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They have people running around with "Reichsflagge". There are people from 3. Weg, a known Neo-Nazi party. There are people from AfD, another Ultra-Conservative right extremist party. There are people from "Die Basis", a party full of Nazis and conspiracy nutjobs. There are people holding anti-vaxx signs. They are calling to bring in children as human shields. They are calling for disassembly of the government. But s…

You make it sound as if this was the majority but it is not by a long shot.

Every legitimate protest throws those kind of people out. They don't. You may want to ask them why. Funnily enough many of those "protests" are organized by known extremists or those party members.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

#158

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You make it sound as if this was the majority but it is not by a long shot.

Every legitimate protest throws those kind of people out. They don't. You may want to ask them why. Funnily enough many of those "protests" are organized by known extremists or those party members.

Is it defined by you who is allowed to participate and what makes a protest legitimate? If people there make illegal actions, the police has to intervene. That's it.

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

#159
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Everybody wants to be the one who decides what is extreme and what is mainstream so they can silence and ostracise those who don't think the way they do.

We made the decision because the law is not a arbitrary thing it gets implemented because of what is written in our constitution and by law makers that we voted into place. If you want to change the law do it politically and get a majority like we did with cannabis and stop rambling about "freedoms" on the internet.

> stop rambling about "freedoms"

To ramble about something means to talk about it in a confused way. If you find something specific confusing about the way the parent comment talks about "freedoms", maybe you should point that out. (Of course the parent comment doesn't talk about "freedoms" at all, confused or not.)

Re: Germany doesn't rule out closing Telegram – interior minister

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Oh yes, because local telecommunication companies delivering SMS using archaic, non-end-to-end encrypted protocols are TOTALLY more resilient to government censorship than Telegram :-P Look, when it comes to SMS and craigslist-style things etc. I bet they will want to just keep them up so they can act as a dragnet for the fools who use them to organize criminal activity.

I'm not telling that SMS is secure. S stands for short, not secure. But given how easy it is to fake and forge SMS, at least one can have a plausible deniability if their SMS got intercepted and read.

Hehe that’s true

I started saying anyone can have anonymity and plausible deniability after they post their private keys publicly online :)

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