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DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by speedgoose »

klyrs wrote: post #5
anonporridge wrote: post #2

Does anyone have good data on comparing deaths per mile driven between various auto brands? This data, https://www.tesladeaths.com/ , doesn't tell us much if accurate, other than Tesla crashes don't seem to be any kind of real problem in an absolute sense.

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You can argue than yes, you can put a price on human life. It’s definitely the case for road safety and Covid-19.

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.28.4.213

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life

In France today, it’s about 3 000 000€

Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by arcticbull »

erulabs wrote: post #32

This topic aside, I guess I just feel like if the Hacker community is saying “don’t build things! It’s dangerous! What if someone gets hurt! Go DMV! Put a stop to that!”, then maybe I don’t want to be a Hacker anymore.

There's good and bad ways to develop new technologies. It is our responsibility to champion the good and call out the bad. If not us, the people who actually understand and build the technology - then who?

[edit] I'm pro EPA too btw, its nice that rivers don't catch fire.

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Post by BoorishBears »

erulabs wrote: post #32

This topic aside, I guess I just feel like if the Hacker community is saying “don’t build things! It’s dangerous! What if someone gets hurt! Go DMV! Put a stop to that!”, then maybe I don’t want to be a Hacker anymore.

Can you point me to a time where $BIGCORP leveraging mass public testing of 5,000 lb heavy machinery to get around actually having to pay for testers was considered part of the hacker ethos?

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Post by Thorentis »

erulabs wrote: post #32

This topic aside, I guess I just feel like if the Hacker community is saying “don’t build things! It’s dangerous! What if someone gets hurt! Go DMV! Put a stop to that!”, then maybe I don’t want to be a Hacker anymore.

I didn't realise part of being a hacker was being okay with endangering lives.

Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by anonporridge »

Thorentis wrote: post #35
erulabs wrote: post #32

This topic aside, I guess I just feel like if the Hacker community is saying “don’t build things! It’s dangerous! What if someone gets hurt! Go DMV! Put a stop to that!”, then maybe I don’t want to be a Hacker anymore.

I didn't realise part of being a hacker was being okay with endangering lives.

We all endanger lives every time we get behind the wheel of a manually driven car.

Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by [deleted] »

pengaru wrote: post #22

Sure took long enough, do your jobs already. The general public shouldn't be forced to share roads with FSD Beta vehicles having a tendency to veer into oncoming traffic among other unpredictable and dangerous behaviors shown in various twitter videos. Nevermind the autopilot failures smashing into stopped emergency vehicles and semi trailers. I'm pro-EV but Tesla is a reckless shit show.

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Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by BoorishBears »

anonporridge wrote: post #36
Thorentis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realise part of being a hacker was being okay with endangering lives.

We all endanger lives every time we get behind the wheel of a manually driven car.

We individually endanger lives, presumably the people who made your car have not added it to an army of self-endangering cars.

It's not like there's nothing between 0 safety features and FSD. We could just have passive safety features like AEB and LKA and get a ton of benefit over nothing...

Re: DMV ‘revisiting’ its approach to regulating Tesla’s public self-driving test

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Post by Rygian »

pengaru wrote: post #22

Sure took long enough, do your jobs already. The general public shouldn't be forced to share roads with FSD Beta vehicles having a tendency to veer into oncoming traffic among other unpredictable and dangerous behaviors shown in various twitter videos. Nevermind the autopilot failures smashing into stopped emergency vehicles and semi trailers. I'm pro-EV but Tesla is a reckless shit show.

When you say "having a tendency to," how often exactly does that happen?

Have you been able to watch Twitter videos of all driving situations FSD is exposed to, or was your research biased to "videos that get a lot of views," itself a subset of "FSD driving that was caught on camera"?

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