Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this some sort of fallacy I don't understand? If you are travelling internationally your are identified no matter what and even before covid you had to show proof of vaccination for different parts of the world.
In my country, the certs are required to enter businesses.
Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's only available since Djokovic provided the URL.... and lied about the dates it seems.
More likely it's a bunch of folks like yourself stirring up outrage where none exists. It's becoming a bit of a pattern. No actual look at reasonable explanation - just straight to the "he's lying" claims. Pathetic. The date a doc is downloaded has no bearing on when a test was taken.
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
More likely it's a bunch of folks like yourself stirring up outrage where none exists. It's becoming a bit of a pattern. No actual look at reasonable explanation - just straight to the "he's lying" claims. Pathetic. The date a doc is downloaded has no bearing on when a test was taken.
The suspicion is around the id from the earlier test being higher than from the later test. I think it has merit and is worth further inquiry. It could of course be explained by an administrative error where it had been re-issued.
Australian Border Force should be requesting proof from Serbia if the authenticity of the results are in doubt.
But I doubt Serbia is keen to cooperate with the deportation of their golden child.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The only difference between languages is Latin versus Cyrillic. "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy" There are definitely more differences between the lexicon and grammar of those languages apart from the alphabet they are written with. Not very big differences, mind you. But ignoring them altogether or making them bigger than what they are enters the realm of politics. Anyway, the english wikipedia ar…
Thank you for pointing this out. I kept out these differences on purpose, because it culturally divides us. I am well aware of them: Croatian is not my native language. But, I learned it and I am conversational in the Shtokavian (Štokavian) dialect. I am Štokavski. This is the standard dialect of Croatian, in Croatia. My family however were Čakavski. They spoke the Chakavian (Čakavian) dialect. They are from the isla…
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
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I mean the sensible position would be that a contraindication (allergy against vaccine) and recent infection should be the alternative to vaccination. And obviously an athlete would need to fulfill the requirement of both entry to to country and to the tournament.
That doesn't make much sense to me: it seems to require a person who has an allergy to the vaccine to also get infected. At any rate, the sensible course of action would have been to allow only permanent, approved medical contraindications to be grounds for exemption. Temporary contraindications (like recent vaccination/infection) would simply invoke an apology and a wish they get better soon.
Previous infection is only a 6-month temporary deferral in the case of major acute medical illness.
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021...
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/who-is-actually-el...
These are the ATAGI guidelines though, the border can do what they want and they do not recognize previous infection as an exemption, apparently except in very special cases where the person is a millionaire with a world-class backhand.
It'd be really interesting to know why he was given an exemption even while he hadn't tested positive in the past 6 months.
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How does that become a DoS? Spoofing ip's to get banned? Wouldn't you have to know the ip's that you wanted to get banned?
You turn up at a venue which is scanning these QR codes as part of some vaccinated only entrance policy, let them scan your amended code, you don't get in, nor does anyone else after you.
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…
Skipping the part where I discuss my general doubt of intellectual capabilities of the fellow commenters here. - Datum uzorkovanja (Date of sampling): 22.12.2021 14:12:10 - Datum izdavanja rezultata (Date of issuance of results): 22.12.2021 16:15:49 => I will ignore the time needed to get the actual swabs to the laboratory and do the necessary paperwork etc and round this to ~2 hours of time available for testing. -…
Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?
#309- Datum uzorkovanja (Date of sampling): 22.12.2021 14:12:10
- Datum izdavanja rezultata (Date of issuance of results): 22.12.2021 16:15:49
=> I will ignore the time needed to get the actual swabs to the laboratory and do the necessary paperwork etc and round this to ~2 hours of time available for testing.
- Vrsta analize i proizvodjac testa (Type of analysis and test manufacturer): Real Time PCR test-SARS-CoV-2, , Sansure Biotech INC; Hunan Province
See, unless my fellow countrymen have developed a way to do PCR tests 5 times faster than the fastest tests available in the (rest) of the world, this test in itself is a joke. This is the reason PCR testing: costs, is usually indicated by symptoms already present/positive antigen test.
And before you ask: but what about the positive test, it was done under your suggested 10h too? The positive test results actually have the exact test kit specified (https://www.cepheid.com/en/tests/Critical-Infectious-Disease...) and it's definitely not PCR. Furthermore, that company doesn't even manufacture PCR tests/systems. Their focus is on rapid pathogen detection systems.
The negative test on the other hand, doesn't specify the test kit used at all, only the manufacturer. That manufacturer though, not only produces PCR tests/systems, but most of the covid-related products are PCR-oriented, along with a few rapid/antigen solutions. (https://www.sansureglobal.com/products-and-solutions/covid-1...)
Note: on their product details pages you will see mentions of 60 minute amplification time. That might indeed be true, but amplification is, albeit long, just one step of a multi-step process (extraction, preparation, amplification, evaluation).
You're welcome.
Take care
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#310"Absolutely wrong. Timestamp is the time of pdf download. Everytime you repeat the process timestamp will change. Difference in confirmation code is because he used 2 different state labs on 16th and 22nd. Very poor analysis, I have to conclude."[1] "You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit. He and his family have enough influence…
I believe the “confirmation code” that’s higher for 16th than the 22nd test is still suspicious though. 16th: 7371999-259039 22nd: 7320919-259039 Does anyone have an explanation of how that code works. Could it have been related to a manufacturing batch of tests that’s been used out of order? Those of you here with test results how does that code relate to your testing date?