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Ask HN: Why do new browsers use Chromium instead of Firefox as their base?

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Every time there is a post here related to Firefox, I see a lot of people complaining about the state of browsers and the utterly dominance of Chrome and Chromium based browsers.

I’m wondering if that are technical reasons why the newish browsers (such as Brave or Edge) are choosing Chromium instead of Firefox as their starting point.

If so, shouldn’t this be a priority for Mozilla to change that?

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And you're saying Google's isn't the same? Mozilla and Google are both businesses whose primary goals are obtaining money.

If you think that there are engineers specifically on the Chrome/Chromium team who ARE interested in the technology, what's the chances that there are engineers on the Firefox team who feel the same?

My point being companies will always have to be monetarily-biased, and the hope is that the team working on the product itself still believe in it because they don't get much kickback from management's decisions about the technology.

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And you're saying Google's isn't the same? Mozilla and Google are both businesses whose primary goals are obtaining money. If you think that there are engineers specifically on the Chrome/Chromium team who ARE interested in the technology, what's the chances that there are engineers on the Firefox team who feel the same? My point being companies will always have to be monetarily-biased, and the hope is that the team…

Technically Mozilla is non-profit and thus technically not in the business of obtaining money.

Re: Ask HN: Why do new browsers use Chromium instead of Firefox as their base?

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Gecko and servo are both not easily embeddable.

Servo isn't a finished rendering engine yet and the browser I saw that could exclusively use servo was not compliant enough and since mozilla fired the servo team there is no certain future for it anymore. Projects that tried to make servo embeddable are all dead and gone (see https://github.com/paulrouget/servo-embedding-example for example)

So yeah last time I tried to use gecko I failed and didn't try again (years ago) nobody is willing to do the work and mozilla seems to focus more on other stuff...

Re: Ask HN: Why do new browsers use Chromium instead of Firefox as their base?

#9
The Mozilla rendering engine (gecko) was never meant to be embedded in the same way webkit is. It changed a little with Fennec and firefox. The engine became leaner... Yet still it isn't easy to reuse.

Even spidermonkey, the javascript engine, is never reused as v8.

Different design priciples

Re: Ask HN: Why do new browsers use Chromium instead of Firefox as their base?

#10
I think Chromium’s performance contributed a lot to its dominance. Browser distributions have to build off of it to be relevant.

Other than Ekioh’s Flow, I don’t know any other competitive attempts from companies building browser components from scratch.

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