Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

Ha yeah very valid question. Noteshelf is a plain sketch notepad on ipad so is distinct from the others.

Why Bear vs Notion - to pick Notion up and write a quick note isn't great. It's much more organized. Bear is better for this.

Why Notion vs Bear - Better for making structured organized notes, better sharability / collab, rich formatting options. I tend to use notion when I want to share notes or plans externally.

Why Roam vs Bear - Bear syncs via iCloud Drive. My work does not allow iCloud drive syncing. This means Bear's notes would be local which I don't want.

Why Roam vs Notion - This is probably the least justified. I wanted to try Roam again for work notes + research. I do really enjoy the bullet point simplicity and linking of Roam. But I know you could do this on Notion. However, once again I feel like there's more structure with Notion and it's less easy to jot down some simple bullet points.

I just tried it; looks like AirTable added a login page when you click "Use Table". Previously, I think you could play around with them without the login. I know Ive done it

https://www.airtable.com/

Feedback about the landing page:

The image front and center is small. And then when I pinch to zoom to look at the picture on the front page it makes itself smaller.

Also no screenshots gallery.

General feedback: this is an area were I feel there is a lpt of potential.

Personally I use Pencil Planner on IPad and it solves some of the problems in the same space brilliantly, like handwriting on top of digital calendar, how to allow both freeform notes and portrait / landscape etc.

I'll probably stick with that, but again I think you are into something and Pencil Planner is only available on Apple devices anyway.

This looks pretty cool. Those interested may also like a longtime Mac app that scratches a similar itch, Curio. It’s part outliner, freeform idea layout tool, and visual reference organizer. https://www.zengobi.com/curio/

This looks cool. I’ve been looking for a more permanent replacement for Roam. Everything I’ve tried so far (Obsidian, Logseq, Athens, Mem, etc.) have all been either clones, or just small improvements. I have yet to see something that grabs me in the same way Roam did years ago (block refs was an aha moment).

My other must have feature is mobile, which it looks like you have covered. I haven’t tried Clover yet, but do you have interlinking and block references? I assume so as that’s a pretty basic core functionality of a note taking tool now, but I understand a product is always a work in progress.

Also, do you have migration tools for importing existing notes? I have 75k pages, and that number grows by 20-100 daily, so it’s a big ask to abandon that.

Anyway, congrats on the launch.