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Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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Yes, but the real question always is: Who will make a decision as to what is considered frivolous. Not to search very far, I consider trucks in US for non-contractor use to be frivolous, but I don't go around telling people those need to be banned.

Trucks move people and items. Bitcoin allows us to buy porn, pot and run scams on a mostly centralized network.

Can you explain how it is centralized? Because… it isn’t.

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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World really needs a ban on PoW cryptocurrencies. I guess on one side lot of people is not caring about it as long as they make some money of it, and in the other side maybe other people in power, is not caring as that would make a perfect excuse to ban any kind of cryptocurrency. I guess too we all will care as soon as the devastation caused by the climate change becomes a massive life threatening issue.

I'd give you pow ban if you give me a central bank ban

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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World really needs a ban on PoW cryptocurrencies. I guess on one side lot of people is not caring about it as long as they make some money of it, and in the other side maybe other people in power, is not caring as that would make a perfect excuse to ban any kind of cryptocurrency. I guess too we all will care as soon as the devastation caused by the climate change becomes a massive life threatening issue.

Banning = Authoritarian Madness. Bans are never the answer unless you are a fascist. This is an attack on general purpose computing. You cannot tell people what they can and can’t do with their machines. You can try, but the smart ones will tell you to go f yourself. Deal with the supply side costs, and let people do whatever math they like.

I agree that fossils fuels are being subsidized where they should be carbon taxed, and that's the only reason most crypto mining (and many other industries) using fossils fuels is still viable. But I disagree that bans are always authoritarian "madness". We ban things all the time. There are many substances and contraptions that you must hold a license to own or use. We have ban murder. We don't just disincentivize it, we actually do not allow it. And no one disagrees that this should be the case.

And this isn't a slippery slope argument, we are now at the point where irresponsible care for our climate is translating into actual lives lost.

Also, this is a perfect example of calling something "fascist" that categorically does not fit the definition of fascist. Fascism requires you to believe that one arbitrary group of people is superior to another, and that the govt/legislation should reflect this.

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

#124

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Yes, but the real question always is: Who will make a decision as to what is considered frivolous. Not to search very far, I consider trucks in US for non-contractor use to be frivolous, but I don't go around telling people those need to be banned.

Trucks move people and items. Bitcoin allows us to buy porn, pot and run scams on a mostly centralized network.

I think the issue is your concern does not really answer the question I posed. We can follow the use 'use' argument as soon as we deal with the 'who has the authority to tell people what to do with energy/money/equipment'. Is it me? Is it you? Is it society? Is it government? As soon as we get through that conundrum, we can discuss how crypto is basically evil and used for nefarious purposes only and cars are more like knives ( I disagree, but we can get to it once we know who can actually make the call on the behalf of humanity as a whole that a given technology is banned ).

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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Machine washing too.

Ha ha. But clothes dry themselves. Clothes do not wash themselves.

Maybe they meant people wash their clothes too often?

https://www.prima.co.uk/fashion-and-beauty/fashion-tips/a269...

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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Imposing global technological bans so willy-nilly seems like a nice idea only on the surface. Things like machine drying your clothes at home in the US (uncommon in Europe so seems frivolous) uses as much if not more energy. Others might consider gaming or self-hosted servers or who knows what else equally inefficient. Do you really want to put things so easily on the potential chopping block even if this one thing y…

There are plenty of other wasteful activities that should be limited as well. Classic whataboutism. First of all your entire comparison makes no sense, you have to compare alternatives for use. What's the alternative to a dryer. Using a line and hanging your clothes. Fair enough, what about in the winter in New York? A ventless dryer? Doesn't use substantially less energy. And so forth. For every conceivable use case…

>Fair enough, what about in the winter in New York?

Large swathes of Europe have winters as bad or even worse than New York's. I've grown up in one of those countries and had never seen a home clothes dryer before visiting the US. I've also almost never seen them in London or Berlin where I lived after that and those have at most marginally warmer winters than New York.

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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post #28

World really needs a ban on PoW cryptocurrencies. I guess on one side lot of people is not caring about it as long as they make some money of it, and in the other side maybe other people in power, is not caring as that would make a perfect excuse to ban any kind of cryptocurrency. I guess too we all will care as soon as the devastation caused by the climate change becomes a massive life threatening issue.

Imposing global technological bans so willy-nilly seems like a nice idea only on the surface. Things like machine drying your clothes at home in the US (uncommon in Europe so seems frivolous) uses as much if not more energy. Others might consider gaming or self-hosted servers or who knows what else equally inefficient. Do you really want to put things so easily on the potential chopping block even if this one thing y…

There is literal legislation about energy efficiency of consumer goods (such as dryers), our houses have to be built to be environmentally friendly with good insulation to stop wasted energy, governments are banning plastic packaging. But crypto should be except? No, crypto should be legislated so that it’s energy usage is limited. To think otherwise is an enormous step backwards.

I cannot understand how this is not a bigger issue being talked about in the media. Right now in the UK we are going through an energy crisis where people can’t afford to heat their own homes (I’m not blaming crypto for this). It’s absolutely maddening that in a world where climate change and energy scarcity is such an issue this would be a controversial topic.

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

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post #45

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Imposing global technological bans so willy-nilly seems like a nice idea only on the surface. Things like machine drying your clothes at home in the US (uncommon in Europe so seems frivolous) uses as much if not more energy. Others might consider gaming or self-hosted servers or who knows what else equally inefficient. Do you really want to put things so easily on the potential chopping block even if this one thing y…

A single miner uses 1,300W (Antminer S9) and runs 24/7. That is 218,400Wh for a week. A gaming computer at ~400W, left on 24/7, is 67,200Wh. That assumes you are playing 24/7 - your idle wattage in sleep is If you run your dryer every night of the week for an hour, you are using about 38,400Wh. You can game 24/7 and dry your clothes every night of the week and STILL use less power than a modern, efficient single mine…

1000W+ power supplies are pretty common on the high end of gaming PC's, I've got a 1200W psu in my machine, as my old 750W PSU was shutting off when I upgraded my GPU. I don't know how many watts it's drawing during a resource intensive game, but it's gotta be a lot more than 400. I think I'll look into getting a wall plug power meter.

Re: Radeon RX 6500 XT is bad at cryptocurrency mining on purpose, AMD says

#129

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Trucks move people and items. Bitcoin allows us to buy porn, pot and run scams on a mostly centralized network.

Can you explain how it is centralized? Because… it isn’t.

Lets say Coinbase and Paypal (both BTC processors) stop supporting your website. Do you think that you'll get as many BTC transactions if this happens?
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