More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ • Hacker News Board

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by andrewclunn » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 7:52 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #927

andrewclunn wrote: post #808

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Harboring concern over long term risks of covid because o f lack of data, but unconcerned about long term risks from vaccines for covid because of lack of data? You MAY be brainwashed.

Historically, most vaccine problems show up early. First, there's the risk of an immediate allergic reaction, which, if it's going to happen, happens within minutes to hours. Then there's the risk of an inactivated or weakened virus vaccine causing the disease it's supposed to prevent. That happened in a big way in 1955, with a defective batch of polio vaccine. The mRNA vaccines can't do that - they don't have an ent…

This would be an excellent point IF these were like other vaccines (and in fact wouldn't even fall under that label without the change to the definition made last year). As it stands this is more a rhetorical argument you've made, which does nothing to address the actual unknowns and long term concerns, but merely appears as though it does if you pretend these treatments can be represented by broad aggregated tendencies regarding "vaccines."

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 7:58 PM UTC

valachio wrote: post #682

Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

There is also the possibility that we will look back on history and realize how hysteria and media fearmongering drove human society to take wholly unnecessary measures and paved a path towards more authoritarianism, more surveillance, a financial crisis due to the government printing trillions of dollars which a lot of it is going into the stock market and driving up companies to insane valuations, creating a genera…

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by caffeine » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:17 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

> if there's a case in the class we've got to keep our kids at home for a week

The answer to that might be to just all agree not to do this any more. Vaccine or not, the policy of shutting down a whole class if anyone has a case of CoVID is just silly for preschool aged kids.

A more cynical view:

There is already a known safe and effective way to develop antibodies in children to stop transmitting CoVID, and that's ... letting them get CoVID!

So actually if a child in the class gets CoVID, maybe they should be required to sing to the whole class in a small room for a week.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by horns4lyfe » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:50 PM UTC

zzzeek wrote: post #154

EMM_386 wrote: post #14

I'm double vaxxed and boosted and just spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid. I actually entered the hospital without Covid and got it while I was in there. They had the entire place divided into separate wings and I had to be transferred between them. 103 degree fever, pulse 130, was pretty awful but came out of it fine. I, too, am done with all of it. Let the chips fall where they may now.

wow, you just had a really awful covid experience despite having all preventive measures in place, and now that you're "done" it's time to take off the masks for everyone? thanks for "letting the chips fall where they may" on everyone else who still would much prefer not to get sick and risk long covid but I will keep the mask on for now, thanks

You’re the only one talking about forcing anyone to do anything with masks. If you want to wear it fine, but not forcing people to is not the same as forcing people not to.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by picardythird » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 8:55 PM UTC

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

But people didn't want to get vaxxed long before any mandates ever took effect. They don't want to get vaxxed because they are simply misinformed. They are misinformed by politicians (yes, mainly Republicans), they are misinformed by social media, podcasters (Joe Rogan, Brett Weinstein), and various other celebrity clout chasers. This happened long before there was ever a mandate. People believing the vaccines cause you to exert a magnetic pull is not the fault of government mandates which recently took effect, it occurred way before with campaigns and conspiracies comprised of pure misinformation and pseudo-science.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by silexia » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

I am vaxxed and boosted. Everyone I know in my very Republican rural county got the new wave of Omicron in the last ten days, including me. No one got seriously ill. My symptoms were barely detectable.

I am done with Covid, I did my part to stop prevention. At this point, it is damaging children to keep them locked up. People should live their lives as normal. People who are vulnerable are welcome to take precautions for themselves if they wish. I am returning to life as normal and recommend all of you do the same if you don't have a risk factor.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by EMM_386 » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:19 PM UTC

zarzavat wrote: post #531

bb123 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let the chips fall where they may == “I survived with no consequences so I don’t care what happens to anyone else”

That's an uncharitable reading of it. A charitable reading of it might be "We've done everything we can do, there's nothing left to do now but roll the dice"

I am the OP, this is exactly what I meant:

> "We've done everything we can do, there's nothing left to do now but roll the dice"

I was double vaxxed and boosted, so I essentially did exactly what I was told to do, it didn't help.

Since Covid is never going away, I don't want booster shots that don't work every few months.

This has nothing to do with harming others in society. If I end up with Covid again, I'll isolate myself.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 9:21 PM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #34

EMM_386 wrote: post #14

I'm double vaxxed and boosted and just spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid. I actually entered the hospital without Covid and got it while I was in there. They had the entire place divided into separate wings and I had to be transferred between them. 103 degree fever, pulse 130, was pretty awful but came out of it fine. I, too, am done with all of it. Let the chips fall where they may now.

Was the hospital stay a precaution or was it medically necessary?

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by fxbe12 » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 10:45 PM UTC

titzer wrote: post #113

I've gone through cycles with this. Mostly I am done arguing. I hate arguing about this. It's just more of the culture war shit that so many different media sources love pushing to keep people amped up. I double vaxxed and boosted. Stopped wearing a mask for the most part, but with Omicron I started wearing a mask again because I just don't want this stupid virus. I'm healthy and would probably not have a symptomatic…

Thank you. Cannot agree more. Let's live out lives. Do what we love, grow in it and stop dividing.

Our office director is scared and has closed down again (were doing 3 days a week in person) due to Omicron. I don't personally think it was necessary and I liked working there in the quite (away from kids).

But, whatever. I am done with the fighting and with the political division over it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by belorn » Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 10:59 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #977

belorn wrote: post #482

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> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. That situation is impossible to assess without knowing the job description. I would also be hesitant to work at a place if the employer demands vaccinations because they are refusing remote work even when the job description does not require it. We have a pandemic and employers need to minimize unnecessary…

If an employer demands vaccination they should be liable for all possible adverse effects, including indefinite long term care costs.

They should have the same liability as to anyone which interacts with the company or organizations, including patients outcomes in hospitals. If a patients get infected by a sick doctor or nurse, the fault is at the employer who allowed that situation from happening.

Every person who get injured at work is to some degree harmed by the company that allowed that injury to occur. This is why companies has insurance to deal with that. If vaccinations is required for the job then getting vaccinations is by definition work, should happen during paid hours, and any adverse effects dealt with as with any other work related adverse effects.