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Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by celtain »

emptybits wrote: post #9

> Rational people quickly become emotional about parking ... Thinking about parking seems to take place in the reptilian cortex, the most primitive part of the brain responsible for snap judgments about urgent fight-or-flight issues, such as how to avoid being eaten. Lol. A bit melodramatic, but sure. Charge for it, yes, but give motorists a civilized experience when possible. Some of the emotion and impatience and a…

I was halfway through your comment and getting ready to tell you about this great solution call PayByPhone that's used for parking all around my city. Thanks for that :)

However I would argue that charging sufficiently high prices for parking solves #1 too, the remaining difficulty would be finding cheap parking, not expensive parking.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by newaccount74 »

I think the best way to do it is to make short term parking free (under 30 minutes or so), and to charge for long term parking.

This ensures that there are parking spaces available for people running errands or people who transport heavy things, while at the same time making it less attractive for commuters or residents to block parking spaces all day long.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by criddell »

jurassic wrote: post #24

I think non-residential street parking, paid or not, should probably be illegal. Or at least eye-wateringly expensive and limited to a few minutes at a time (e.g. food pickups). I say this as someone who drives regularly. The lack of visibility street parking creates in densely developed areas is a major safety hazard for all. Cyclists can get doored, drivers have diminished environmental awareness of things such as…

> we need a lot of investment in transportation alternatives.

Some small changes can have a pretty minimal investment. The city of Austin lets motorcycles use street parking for free.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by ars »

0_____0 wrote: post #23
newaccount2021 wrote: post #6

remove or charge for parking and people park on the street...no one is giving up their cars, all of the social engineering just ends up creating more problems in many Bay Area communities you will see cars as tightly aligned on both sides of residential streets as is physically possible...homeowners don't even have room to put out trash bins without blocking their own drives. and why? because apartment complexes and…

The last line of your reply there really says it all. Every facet of how our cities are built caters to the automobile owner. Universal street parking, parking minimums, highways through urban cores, not prioritizing public transit infrastructure... these things all reinforce automobile dominance, and they've been public policy for the last 70 years. In order to fix the issue of congested and dangerous streets, we ne…

> we need to get drivers to shift to other transit modes

No thank you. I've tried them all, and driving is better than all of them.

> and part of the answer is to stop coddling them with free parking.

Yup, can't make the other options better, so instead the only alternative is to make driving worse. Great plan.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by 0_____0 »

decafninja wrote: post #21
0_____0 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live, lots of people own a unit in a multi-family house as either a condo or a co-op. Coming from California, I thought of housing as always being a SFH on .25ac or something like that, but for what you get in terms of quality of life, I would be very happy to own a co-op in a triple-decker in my neighborhood.

I live in a midrise condo in the suburbs of NYC. One thing I've noticed is that similar condos in the area have not risen in price significantly (if at all) whereas SFHs have. Is this because of the pandemic that the demand of dense multi-family housing has stagnated while isolated SFHs have risen? The thought has crossed my mind the past two years where I've encountered more rude, aggressive, and hostile fellow resi…

On the housing density spectrum there's a lot of room between 'unit in midrise condo' and SFH. I really like where I live. Boston metro, 6-unit building where I know almost all the tenants. Most of the rest of my neighborhood is 2 or 3 unit multifamily, and it really is a very pleasant density.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by vondur »

I like how the Japanese do it. No street parking. If you purchase a car, you have to prove that you have parking for it. The parking spot can be on your property or a rental spot, but it had to be accounted for.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by balls187 »

emptybits wrote: post #9

> Rational people quickly become emotional about parking ... Thinking about parking seems to take place in the reptilian cortex, the most primitive part of the brain responsible for snap judgments about urgent fight-or-flight issues, such as how to avoid being eaten. Lol. A bit melodramatic, but sure. Charge for it, yes, but give motorists a civilized experience when possible. Some of the emotion and impatience and a…

I use paybyphone on the reg.

background: I'm friends with Kush.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by test6554 »

chizhik-pyzhik wrote: post #7
bognition wrote: post #3

I can't help but think that many of our economic, social, and environmental issues stem from a culture of cars. Cars push out urban sprawl weakening economies of scale, cars take up a massive amount of expensive real-estate (roads and parking), cars produce a tremendous amount of pollution in addition the environmental impacts of the previous two points. At least in the US, I do not see a path forwards tho. The house…

The path forward is zoning changes. Make it legal to build small apartments in a neighborhood, make it legal to run a corner shop, etc. We can build walkable environments in suburban hellscapes if we tweak the laws.

NIMBY. Asking people if they want the poor in their wealthy neighborhood and school district is like asking if they want a nuclear power plant in their neighborhood.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by ars »

jurassic wrote: post #24

I think non-residential street parking, paid or not, should probably be illegal. Or at least eye-wateringly expensive and limited to a few minutes at a time (e.g. food pickups). I say this as someone who drives regularly. The lack of visibility street parking creates in densely developed areas is a major safety hazard for all. Cyclists can get doored, drivers have diminished environmental awareness of things such as…

> I think non-residential street parking, paid or not, should probably be illegal. Or at least eye-wateringly expensive and limited to a few minutes at a time

So basically you don't want me to go there. Ok, I won't. I'll take my business somewhere else.

I personally never shop at small local stores in my area because of lack of parking. I go to the huge stores 10 minutes away that have parking lots.

Re: Charge, Baby, Charge for Parking

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

criddell wrote: post #27
emptybits wrote: post #9

> Rational people quickly become emotional about parking ... Thinking about parking seems to take place in the reptilian cortex, the most primitive part of the brain responsible for snap judgments about urgent fight-or-flight issues, such as how to avoid being eaten. Lol. A bit melodramatic, but sure. Charge for it, yes, but give motorists a civilized experience when possible. Some of the emotion and impatience and a…

If parking gets too expensive, I can imagine self-driving cars circling the block until the owner is ready to go.

Passing an enforceable law against that will be a lot easier, since the companies responsible for self-driving car algorithms can be bashed upside the head with it.
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