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Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by snovv_crash »

nonameiguess wrote: post #53
StopTheWorld wrote: post #40

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In some localities and for some time periods, you are more likely to be a victim of homicide as a taxi driver than as a police officer or security guard (in other localities and time periods, policing is usually more deadly). In terms of non-fatal assaults, taxi drivers are right up there with police officers and security guards. The NIOSH and the US Department of Health and Human Services, and Department of Labor, h…

I'm perfectly willing to believe the parent that this driver really did tell him this. But 22 people you personally know in a single year doesn't pass a basic smell test. I lived in South Bay LA in the early 90s when there was legitimately a statistical wave of carjacking when it was first invented and crime in general was huge multiples of what it is now, and I never knew a single person it happened to personally, o…

I lived in South Africa and personally know 3 people who were car-jacked. One was shot in the chest (and since recovered). One the car was broken down so they just lost their wallets and phones.

I also know 5 other people who have had their cars stolen (while they weren't in them). This includes 2 direct family members.

If you're a taxi driver, and all your friends are taxi drivers, I can easily imagine knowing 5x more.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by snovv_crash »

dontcare007 wrote: post #83
codyogden wrote: post #47

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> for people to stop leaving their cars heating up with the keys in them Yes. Letting your car warm up or idling unattended with the keys inside even if you lock the doors is specifically illegal in Minneapolis. It was made illegal specifically to curb car theft opportunities.

I wonder when they will make short skirts illegal to cut down on rapes? Same principle, IMO.

What, exactly, is the purpose of car keys if you're going to leave them in the car?

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by Spooky23 »

codyogden wrote: post #34
grapescheesee wrote: post #23

I was in Minneapolis a few months ago and grabbed a Lyft. I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. They are organized and setup drop off points to box the cars in. The 'passanger' then holds them at gun point and another person gets in the driver seat. Stolen phones and credit cards a…

I live in the heart of south Minneapolis. I really doubt the claim that this is for organized crime for some kind of financial gain. There was an organized ring last year targeting high value cars, but it got busted pretty easily. From the news I’ve seen, it’s almost always joyriding teenagers and stolen vehicles used to commit some other crime. Uber/Lyft drivers are specifically targeted because they can be easily l…

I live in another city, but there has been significant changes in certain types of crime patterns. It’s not “organized” crime in The Godfather or gang sense, but it’s organized loosely on the internet and would be criminals basically have access to “best practices” that were only available in a truly organized crime org in the past.

Nothing like growing up in 80s NYC, but property crime in my city is way up, and police either aren’t taking reports or people don’t bother. The little league I’m on the board had the wall of a storage shed cut open and turf equipment stolen. The police took a report and the video and filed it away.

Shady people know what the police will arrest for, and what the DA will prosecute; they operate in the fringes. Basically if it’s a burglary at a house or assault the police respond and prosecute. Other thefts don’t even warrant a report unless there is an insurance angle. In general, the stupid crime done by drug addicts is basically not on the radar.

10 years ago, guys robbing sheds and plundering the little league would have prompted a mini-task force response. Today, the paperwork to book the guy would last longer that his time in custody.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by Spooky23 »

grapescheesee wrote: post #42
magicalist wrote: post #36

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> I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. This sounds like a typical made-up crime panic narrative, honestly. The linked story being about a car left running with an infant in it being stolen doesn't help. Terrible, but not at all some boxed-in high octane car theft. Sibling posts ch…

I agree with you. Facts should govern our responses, but what I said wasn't "made-up crime panic." Unless my Lyft driver was doing so. The driver was genuine and I believe nothing he said was based in creating panic or a false narrative. You can believe me or not, but I have nothing to gain. As this was an experience in the words of another person I meet going from MSP to a friends house. He seemed sincerely fearful…

Lyft drivers have no agency. They get punished for not taking fares.

Traditional cabs would just never book calls or avoid perceived dangerous locations.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by Spooky23 »

samschooler wrote: post #59
throwawaylinux wrote: post #11

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What is it about the program you don't agree with, if you don't mind elaborating?

I don't agree with the close ties between private residential camera systems and the police. This program, allows police to ask for footage from any camera without a warrant. Granted, its voluntary, there need to be checks within the program that prevent police from mass requesting camera footage without a legitimate reason. And I don't want that check to be individual private citizens who, given the least amount of…

Many police investigations center around video evidence as is it objective and easy to admit.

Police build little databases of where cameras are located and will use them to build timelines, etc. I served in a jury where the police were able to identify a hit and run driver who killed a teenager by knitting together surveillance footage from a bunch of cameras and establishing what cars were in an area in a given 5-minute window.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by yuliyp »

snovv_crash wrote: post #92
dontcare007 wrote: post #83

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I wonder when they will make short skirts illegal to cut down on rapes? Same principle, IMO.

What, exactly, is the purpose of car keys if you're going to leave them in the car?

Minnesota (especially the northern part) gets REALLY cold in the winter. People with remote starters will start their car remotely if it's been parked outside more than an hour. People without those may want go outside, start the car, then go wait inside to avoid freezing your butt off for 5 minutes while the car gets to a driveable and habitable temperature.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by supergeek133 »

halpert wrote: post #87
supergeek133 wrote: post #82

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It is not, based on the number of reported carjackings/thefts, 1% of the population of Minneapolis has either been carjacked or had their car stolen. That's just Minneapolis. That's WILD. I live here, it's happening in broad daylight, and becoming more violent. Last week we had an amber alert because someone stole a car with a 1 year old in it.

Wow that’s a crazy statistic. Do you have a source?

Yeah it was someone that was aggregating data of their own goodwill and posting it on a neighborhood Facebook group.

This is the map he made of all of them (Reported ones): https://maps.co/map/619333f95e2d8772482744czk0b21d4?fbclid=I...

The numbers he broke down like this:

This doesn’t include car thefts, which there have been an additional 3387. Between car thefts and carjackings (robbery with car theft), there have been a total of 3879 cars taken, almost 1% of the population of Minneapolis have had their car taken in 2021, and 4035 car thefts/carjackings in 2020.

As of 2019 the population of Minneapolis was 420,324. So 1% of that is ~4,200.

Now not all 420k residents own a car, so considering the % of car owners is a smaller number the percentage is probably higher.

Still crazy to me.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by lotsofpulp »

KerrAvon wrote: post #89
lotsofpulp wrote: post #84

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I have yet to hear a good answer to what people expect non federal governments to do, other than to keep people on the move and make it someone else’s problem. For the same reason no single city, county, or state can offer taxpayer funded healthcare, they also cannot offer taxpayer funded mental healthcare and/or universal basic income (or whatever other welfare scheme), and still be part of a country that has freedo…

Can you point to non-right-wing-affiliated sources to back up your assertions? Have you read this? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42867903-open-borders

My reasoning is from first principles of dividing x resources amongst y number of recipients.

I want everyone in the world to have everything they want, but that is not compatible with the constraints of nature.

I am also aware that I and almost everyone else in the developed world consume far more than our "fair" share of the world's resources.

I have not read that book, but the caveat that throws cold water on egalitarian solutions is that we all want to maintain our disproportionately high standard of living while also increasing the amount of resources others receive, which is not going to happen without redistribution.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by the_doctah »

snovv_crash wrote: post #92
dontcare007 wrote: post #83

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I wonder when they will make short skirts illegal to cut down on rapes? Same principle, IMO.

What, exactly, is the purpose of car keys if you're going to leave them in the car?

Some cars have keycode entry. Easy to have this attitude when you don't live in a cold climate area.

Re: Edina Minnesota latest suburb to roll out homeowner surveillance camera program

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Post by Minor49er »

lapsedacademic wrote: post #88
magicalist wrote: post #36

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> I started talking with the driver about crime surges, mainly the dramatic car jackings increase. He said 22 people he personally knew have been victims of car jacking in 2021. This sounds like a typical made-up crime panic narrative, honestly. The linked story being about a car left running with an infant in it being stolen doesn't help. Terrible, but not at all some boxed-in high octane car theft. Sibling posts ch…

Car thefts really are up across the country. This is unsurprising given the surging price of used cars & car parts.

I'd say it's unsurprising in Minneapolis since they've been actively curbing their police force

https://alphanews.org/minneapolis-city-council-now-wants-mor...

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