How does this compare to OneNote?
Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool
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#52Clover is a pretty well-used name. When searching for “Clover” on Google: https://www.clover.com/ https://www.cloverfoodlab.com/ https://www.clover.co/ https://www.cloverhealth.com/ When I hear “Clover”, I think payment processing and health care. Apparently it’s also a dating app and a food service. In a crowded namespace you might want to consider using a descriptive term like “Clover Notes” in your branding so peo…
You can’t really trademark Surface since it’s a generic word that describes the thing that it is, but Microsoft lawyers could probably make you regret testing that.
Check this out: https://secureyourtrademark.com/can-you-trademark/common-wor...
Apple got a trademark because it’s not used to trademark fruit, it’s used to trademark technology.
Same here, “Surface” isn’t being used to describe a physical surface, it’s being used in both cases to describe technology that facilitates collaboration, creativity, productivity, etc.
Imagine this out of context: “Log into Surface and enhance your creativity by collaborating live with others on your team through brainstorming, organizing and improving workflows.”
In pretty detailed terms you could describe both the Microsoft Surface and the Clover Surface products. Even if one is a physical product and the other digital, it’s very confusing.
I don’t think Microsoft trademarked it, but it’s still a little too close for my comfort as well as like you said there’s no telling what the Microsoft lawyers will argue if motivated enough.
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#53I hate signing up for trials. And they committed a cardinal sin...adding me to a mailing list, even though I specifically left that box unchecked.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can’t really trademark Surface since it’s a generic word that describes the thing that it is, but Microsoft lawyers could probably make you regret testing that.
Check this out: https://secureyourtrademark.com/can-you-trademark/common-wor... Apple got a trademark because it’s not used to trademark fruit, it’s used to trademark technology. Same here, “Surface” isn’t being used to describe a physical surface, it’s being used in both cases to describe technology that facilitates collaboration, creativity, productivity, etc. Imagine this out of context: “Log into Surface and enha…
That’s why I think that Microsoft could make it a painful experience but in general, both products do describe surfaces. The hardware is a physical surface and Clover has a virtual surface.
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#55Love this! Current user of Notion (structured planning + sharing), Bear (small on the go notes (mobile mainly), Roam (work + research notes), and Noteshelf (any written notes + sketches). Will be interesting to see if this can replace some of these. I'll write feedback here if I have any. :)
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#56I've said this many times but I dislike that I have to make an account before I even know what the product is or if I will like it enough to justify an account. I hunted around for a sec and I could not find anything that would let me see a real demo or example of the product that didn't require making an account. Doing something like Airtable[0] is much more effective (not affiliated just a product I use), where I c…
Interesting comment and felt like I was supposed to find this! My team is actually working on something along those lines so companies can directly embed a "demo-able" version of their product whether its on their website, sales outreach, or share through emails without opening up their actual product to everyone.
Check us out (still in beta but I want to practice what I preach and get my own product on our page once its a bit more polished): https://www.getlancey.com/
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#57Love this! Current user of Notion (structured planning + sharing), Bear (small on the go notes (mobile mainly), Roam (work + research notes), and Noteshelf (any written notes + sketches). Will be interesting to see if this can replace some of these. I'll write feedback here if I have any. :)
Curious why/how you use multiple apps that seem to cover the same basic functionality?
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#59> ideas on how to improve it - E2EE Anecdotal personal data point: I already pay $10/mo for an E2EE note app with a passable/mediocre UX. I would easily pay up to $15/mo for a polished experience like your app seems to have, and more if it becomes part of my professional workflow. - Android and Linux support For personal use, you may have no issue ignoring these market segments, but it might be a hard sell for teams.…
Couldn't agree more. My trust in third parties holding my data is approaching zero. Anything that holds deeply personal information like this without e2ee is a non-starter.
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#60The hover effect on the buttons on the home page are so nice. I haven't seen it before and absolutely love it.