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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by weinzierl »

perakojotgenije wrote: post #185

"Absolutely wrong. Timestamp is the time of pdf download. Everytime you repeat the process timestamp will change. Difference in confirmation code is because he used 2 different state labs on 16th and 22nd. Very poor analysis, I have to conclude."[1] "You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit. He and his family have enough influence…

The Spiegel article [1] additionally claims (and supports with screenshots) that the 7371999-259039 certificate reported a negative result at a previous point in time. Unfortunately there is no way to verify that, but still: Any ideas how it could be explained?

[1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-we...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #186
zo1 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is super important for everyone to see. The timestamp is not proof of time of test but rather the time that the test was "generated" for download. Anyone prominent on Twitter should respond and assist with this information. I've done these kinds of systems many times in the past and there could be any amount of reasons why a timestamp is included like this. Especially with weird government regulations, policies…

Nah, let's just run with the story first, could generate a fair amount of clicks!

I've been beating this drum for a while, but HN really needs to just ban direct links to Twitter threads. I can't remember the last time I saw one on the front page that was actually true.

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Post by DominikPeters »

grujicd wrote: post #156
grujicd wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…

Can you see from your records whether the confirmation number (i.e. 7601263-535518) is fixed at the time of the report, e.g. sent as part of the email? An alternative that comes to my mind is that the number is assigned when the report is first generated, which could in principle explain why Djokovic's numbers are out of order if the first time he accessed his PDF was on 26 Dec.

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Post by onphonenow »

giarc wrote: post #75
AnonCoward4 wrote: post #62

I find it really irritating to see medical test results online for everyone to see.

It's only available since Djokovic provided the URL.... and lied about the dates it seems.

More likely it's a bunch of folks like yourself stirring up outrage where none exists. It's becoming a bit of a pattern. No actual look at reasonable explanation - just straight to the "he's lying" claims.

Pathetic.

The date a doc is downloaded has no bearing on when a test was taken.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by hammock »

Scoundreller wrote: post #104
roywiggins wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCR tests can come back positive for several months post-infection, so there may be no point in testing people in that post-infection period, because it will come back with too many false positives to be useful. 180 days sounds long for that, but people do test positive for months sometimes. The reason you can test positive for so long is that it takes time for remnant RNA from the virus to totally leave your system,…

… which is a good argument for antigen testing (as your entire pre-entry testing regime, or in conjunction with a positive PCR history). The other difficulty (impossibility?) is in segmenting the chronically infected vs those that are just working out the remnant junk of their recovered infection.

You mean antibody, not antigen?

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by onphonenow »

alexk307 wrote: post #23

I honestly don't even care if he's vaccinated or not. He's one of the best Tennis players of all time, and if he wants to be unvaccinated, he should have the right. However, he doesn't have the right to provide a fraudulent test result in order to enter into a country with its own rules, and a Tennis tournament with its own rules. Covid or not, vaccine or not, this is a scummy move by one of the world's most influent…

Except many of these cases where folks are trying to vilify someone turn out to be false or misleading, so slow down on the judgement bandwagon you seem eager to jump onto!

The date an image is generated (which is what they are looking at) on some website is not the date's the test were taken.

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Post by aix1 »

nradov wrote: post #177
Scoundreller wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is basically the Canada problem: we have tough rules for 95% of people, but we exempt 5% from it, so every variant quickly ends up here uncontrollably anyway. Windsor Ontario has something like 1000+ health care workers commuting to the Detroit area that have been exempt from most entry test/vaccination/quarantine requirements. Same for truckers and flight crews and ~30 other groups. I think this is only changin…

A vaccination requirement wouldn't do anything to control the spread of every new variant. The primary benefit of vaccination is preventing severe symptoms; it doesn't prevent infection or transmission. Covid-zero is impossible in any open society. China is still pursuing a covid-zero policy, but even with locking down entire cities and imposing travel bans they're far from zero.

> The primary benefit of vaccination is preventing severe symptoms; it doesn't prevent infection [...]

I think this dichotomy (prevents vs doesn't prevent) is false. Vaccination reduces the likelihood of getting infected and it reduces the likelihood of severe illness. Perhaps not to the same degree, but my point here is that it's not black & white as the quoted wording implies.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by input_sh »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #126
renaudg wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just Serbia : EU countries have implemented an interoperable vaccination/testing certificate system that relies on digital signatures. https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...

But Serbia's system seems flawed, the EU system has all the data encoded in the QR-code, including name, the date the test was performed, the sort of test (PCR or antigen), and the result, plus a digital signature to prevent changing of those fields. And the QR code is given to the person and is static. The app that checks it checks that the document hasn't been modified by verifying the digital signature. What Serbi…

Worth pointing out that this is Serbia's internal system, but you can also request EU QR from the same website.

Serbia's one of 33 non-EU countries whose centralised system is up to EU standard, and as such you can get both the Serbian QR code and the EU QR code.

As such, assuming no shenanigans (even though things point otherwise), he should have no problem converting it to the EU QR code and presenting that.

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Post by throwaway788 »

drno123 wrote: post #183

The real story is that in Australia, despite extremely strict rules and measures, Covid is spreading like crazy.

NSW removed all restrictions right before Omicron. They had zero of these so called “extremely strict rules” in place for the last month or so. The premier only changed tact when it became obvious that hospitals would be overwhelmed (back to day one of the pandemic).

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Post by penumbra_3 »

grujicd wrote: post #156
grujicd wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

Ok, this is getting strange. There are two ways to get test results: - it's automatically sent to email (if they have it) - you can download it from ezdravlje.rs portal The test I shared above is the one I got on email. However, I went to portal, downloaded pdf, and now I have two copies. They're different! IDs and all the data are the same, but QR codes are different. This is the new one: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/…

Yup, its timestamp for creation of PDF. Just tested on my old PCR tests and timestamp i get in URL is from 11.1.2022. and PCR swab was done on 27.2.2021.
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