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Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by defaultprimate »

harpersealtako wrote: post #291
defaultprimate wrote: post #190

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This is some Chinese propaganda-esque whataboutism. It's one of the oldest propaganda plays in the book. https://globalvoices.org/2021/08/19/the-chinese-government-d...

I have a really hard time understanding how we're supposed to stop this kind of thing, not just on the internet in general and not this comment in particular but on this site in particular. HN has rules against accusations of bad faith, and they work 99% of the time, and I try hard not accuse an individual comment of being in bad faith even if I strongly suspect it. But it seems so obvious by looking at any thread ab…

I mean anytime someone whataboutisms literal ongoing genocide, it's bad faith, period. Whether it's someone working directly on behalf of the CCP or an individual self-motivated nationalist or even a foreigner that's fallen for CCP global propaganda is irrelevant. It's bad faith, and in my opinion, outright malicious.

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Post by iwhwbwkdo »

educaysean wrote: post #231
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #202

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i am not an american or chinese so a third party. here is my question. does "America has lost the narrative and the Chinese have gained it without question" this mean till now it was america who was defining what the rest of the world saw and remembered, making history for "everyone" not just for themselves. remember rambo and the mujahideen? america has for long used its power to influence narrative across the world…

It's not an America vs. China struggle as you put it. The "rest of the folk" around the world are not content with China's deliberate attempt to conceal, twist, and even completely rewrite the history either. Yes, America has enjoyed its massive worldwide influence over the past few decades and it has definitely gotten away with abusing it's power at times. Much of it was because the flow of information wasn't as fre…

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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simion314 wrote: post #92
network2592 wrote: post #32

> It apologised last month for the "trouble" it had caused, saying that its commitment to avoid supply chains from Xinjiang was an expression of compliance with U.S. law, rather than a statement of its position on the issue. So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? To what extent are Intel chips designed and manufactured in China? Presumably, they are…

>slave labour in concentration camps Not an english speaker, so is Is "slave" correctly used here or is more like a "metaphor"?, In my mind a slave is someone you own, you can sell or kill. Someone you keep in prison is called different and people kept in prison for political reasons have also different label, religions/race imprisonment might also have a different label.

The way I would define it is that if a person is told to do some job and they literally aren't allowed to quit and/or are physically disallowed from leaving the premises, then they're slaves.

There are also what are called "wage slaves" who can quit in theory but can't afford to.

Literally owning a person or having the right to kill them are kind of an extreme form of slavery. I think situations could be considered slavery even in situations where those don't apply.

There are some situations that are like slavery but they're kind of corner cases that society handles differently. Soldiers generally aren't allowed to quit in the middle of a war. H1B visa workers in the U.S. have more severe repercussions if they quit a job than ordinary workers; they can be kicked out of the country. I don't know what the legal status of forced labor in the U.S. prison system is, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of those situations are effectively slavery. The people who employ undocumented workers can use the threat of reporting the workers to the authorities as leverage to get them to do what they say and not complain.

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jorblumesea wrote: post #269
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Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

> I agree the jingoistic CCP-controlled Chinese media does not depict Americans or whites with respect and tact. That's a problem. But it doesn't make it OK for the American media to do the same. The problem is that it's a zero sum game and who wins is just as important as moral correctness. If China is able to turn the narrative against the US and enable authoritarian regimes and censor US companies and tech, what d…

Agreed. You cannot win a war by never offending anyone. At some point you have to pick a side and fight for victory.

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Post by dang »

deltaonefour wrote: post #262
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Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

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Please don't take HN threads into new flamewar tangents. The flamewar we're in is bad enough already.

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ir123 wrote: post #294
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I wasn't trying to argue or debate, I was trying to put your exaggerated comment into context >You don't need nukes when you can destabilize and divide an entire country from within while having everything you need and more to psychologically manipulate the population however you want. Your comment seems so silly, when USA has routinely destabilised countries throughout history. It's not even comparable actually. You…

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Post by jchook »

alkonaut wrote: post #224
jchook wrote: post #195

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Why doesn’t the US impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia for their genocide of Yemen?

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It's rhetorical -- the US has been ramping up a trade war with China for years now. The US sanctions on Xinjiang damage the region economically and cause more suffering for the people who live there.

If the US gov't was truly concerned about human rights abuses, then they would not be so biased against China in particular while turning a blind eye or directly funding other very egregious human rights violations.

No the US did not sanction Saudi Arabia for Khashoggi's murder, specifically to avoid damaging their relationship https://sanctionscanner.com/knowledge-base/sanctions-against...

> ...the Coalition is conducting an ongoing campaign of genocide by a ‘synchronised attack’ on all aspects of life in Yemen, one that is only possible with the complicity of the United States and United Kingdom.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01436597.2018.15...

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The GP was an unsubstantive flamebait comment, but yours breaks the site guidelines egregiously. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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Post by 1024core »

trasz wrote: post #171
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Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring. Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0] The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists…

>Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. When they exist. We know they exist in the US (private prisons), but there are no reliable sources that confirm they still exist in China.

You most likely don't care, but if you want to be educated, here are some Vice documentaries: https://www.vice.com/en/topic/uighur

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Post by dang »

ir123 wrote: post #242
defaultprimate wrote: post #175

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It's something I've stated repeatedly: The most dangerous part of China is not its military or nukes (they're actually hardly an offensive threat at all). It's how effective their global propaganda, cultural warfare, and data harvesting techniques are. You don't need nukes when you can destabilize and divide an entire country from within while having everything you need and more to psychologically manipulate the popu…

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Please don't post unsubstantive flamebait comments. Just look at the hellishness it leads to.

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