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Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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> Is anybody claiming that it’s sudden? I mean, there are two ex-Googlers in this thread claiming firsthand that search quality was considered sacrosanct as of a few years ago, so it seems like it'd have to have been sudden if indeed it has happened at all.

Four and a half years is quite enough time for search results to get worse that I wouldn't call it "sudden".

True, but I didn't assert "it was great right up to the moment I left."

The process might have started before, or indeed after I left. And I wasn't in Search, anyway.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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I think that Google is optimizing for the "average user" to the detriment of power users such as the HN crowd. Most people treat Google as an internet oracle and send queries like "how do I do X" while power users will search for keywords. One example of this optimization is the automatic answer boxes that show up for certain questions, which are wrong disturbingly often or don't include important details.

I miss Altavista. I could generally either find exactly what I was looking for inside of three iterations of refining the search, or find that it wasn't to be found. I still just want a blazing fast full text search of the reachable WWW that understands regexes and a basic predicate calculus. Unfortunately the overhead and small potential user base means that under the current regime such a thing will never be made.…

All right, I think this comment is peak HN.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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No, I get the same results on Safari on iOS (iPhone) so I have to eliminate the possibility of malware. Google results are personalized, based on location, search history, etc. The fact that I'm in Argentina has been adding a lot of noise to results on searches where my location is not relevant at all. In this case, I suspect that Google thinks these hacked sites with developer target content are relevant to me, beca…

I too tried this (geolocated to Argentina) and cannot reproduce the behaviour. All the results I am seeing on the first couple of pages are relevant. P.S. Chrome, incognito window.

If I use an incognito window I don't get the crappy results either.

My feeling is that since that query is SO unusual for me, based on my search history (I can't even say what it means) it raises the "likelyhood" that the hacked spam sites with programming terms that also include those keywords are good results for me.

If I search for something more typical, like "Spider-Man No Way Home" or "Ruby rails tutorial" the results don't include hacked sites.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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No, I get the same results on Safari on iOS (iPhone) so I have to eliminate the possibility of malware. Google results are personalized, based on location, search history, etc. The fact that I'm in Argentina has been adding a lot of noise to results on searches where my location is not relevant at all. In this case, I suspect that Google thinks these hacked sites with developer target content are relevant to me, beca…

Could you try again from an incognito window?

Yes, I did. No trash. Safari on Mac (or iOS), once I log in, spews the same garbage results.

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My feeling is that since that query is SO unusual for me, based on my search history (I can't even say what it means) it raises the "likelyhood" that the hacked spam sites with programming terms that also include those keywords are good results for me.

If I search for something more typical, like "Spider-Man No Way Home" or "Ruby rails tutorial" the results don't include hacked sites.

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Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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No idea if you're right or not, but I think it's an interesting take. It might be because of SEO, it might be more information in walled gardens, it might be the death of the personal web page. Both Google search and the internet are changing, as are our perceptions, so it's really hard to say why search quality is better or worse.

Whether search quality is deteriorating really depends what we expect from a search engine. Many of us on HN use search engine as a way to look for web pages with specific words. Search engines did start out performing word searches, but somewhere along the way, they started trying to answer questions. Many of the complaints such as Google dropping search terms are actually the result of the search engine trying to a…

> trying to answer questions

Poor Jeeves. He was before his time.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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I just tried that search, all of the results look relevant and I definitely don't get any of the results you are getting. I wonder if you have some malware that is hijacking the results? I once had some malware (chrome extension) that was corrupting my search results. It was surprisingly difficult to remove (given that it was a chrome extension...).

adding another datapoint, I could only find the results the OP was returning in the 10th page (~100th result)

Good to know you see those too.

They're so obviously unrelated hacked sites that they shouldn't even be listed.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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When I search for "databricks series b valuation" in Google (from Argentina, using Google.com in English) result #6 is: "Python get value from database - Büro Jorge Schmidt", which judging by title and preview seems to be a Python + MySQL tutorial. It returns a 403 error and might be a hacked site, since the home page is for a graphic design studio in Munich. Result #8 is something similar: "Intellij flatten packages…

For anyone interested, further info:

- I checked the cached (by Google) copies of the hacked pages and they include mentions of a "Databricks SQL Connector". So if I search for "Databricks" Google thinks "it must be a programming thing".

- If I now search for "databricks series a valuation" I don't get the spam results, for some reason. I think that if I repeat the search Google produces the exact same results... but internally, since I first searched, it might have realized that those sites were not good.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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I think that Google is optimizing for the "average user" to the detriment of power users such as the HN crowd. Most people treat Google as an internet oracle and send queries like "how do I do X" while power users will search for keywords. One example of this optimization is the automatic answer boxes that show up for certain questions, which are wrong disturbingly often or don't include important details.

The average use absolutely does this. I see this with family members and friends. Most just type in full questions. From my experience the best way to get good results is to start typing keywords for yourr question and then creating the query based on the autocomplete results. If I notice I don't get autocompletion for a certain query I'll restructure it until I do. This has proven very useful in providing good resul…

I haven't experienced quotation marks making any difference in recent times. I think that tip is out of date.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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I’ve been on the internet since the 80s and the bad actors were still around back then. USENET was made unusable at one point by people spamming, mass cross posting, and playing cancel wars. This was well before ads or profit existed on the net.

This is all true but Google and later Facebook made it easier to monetize spam and were clearly unconcerned about the impact on communities unless advertisers stopped buying. An unethical immigration law firm still needed to sign up clients but a teenager in Moldova could scrape someone else’s content, SEO it, and make a decent income without knowing who the money came from. I think pjc’s point is extremely important…

Anything that facilitates commerce makes it easier to monetize spam, just as it makes it easier to monetize porn, or even illegal activity (eg bitcoin). You can't really fault Google or Facebook for this, as soon as the internet moved away from hobbyists, academia, and scientists towards the general public, it was absolutely inevitable.

The only way to have prevented something like that would have been to make the internet a giant closed-garden AOL like system with total control over users, identity, and content.

Fundamentally, if you make something frictionless to join, you end up with parasites. If you impose a cost to join, you end up hurting average users, because it's hard to raise the price high enough to keep out bad actors, especially if the expected value is positive and high. (If I need to spend $5000 in order to get one sucker for a MAKE MONEY FAST scheme, it's still worth it)

Part of Apple's value proposition is a tightly controlled walled garden with a high cost to entry. If you're willing to pay those costs, you're protected from a lot of spam, at the cost of a lot of friction to enter the ecosystem, and the lost of full autonomy over your devices.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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Browserfingerprinting, they see you again on ther resultspage after x seconds -> bad result. They don't see you again -> good result.

That's not how I use the results page, though. I open the top x number of results in separate tabs, and then check those pages. I only go back to the tab with the results page after I've checked them all, so that might be a while, even if they all suck. So if they look at my behaviour the way you say, then the feedback they'd get from me would be that the top x-1 results are always bad, while the xth result is always…

Thanks to things like Google Analytics, Google knows what site you're viewing at any moment in time. It can see you go through the results sequentially and stop at some point.
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