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Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by dpark »

defaultprimate wrote: post #243
bboylen wrote: post #233

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Haven't there been some recent reports that the U.S. might actually not fare so well against China in direct conflict? I don't think it would come to that at any rate, at least not in an all out war sense

>Haven't there been some recent reports that the U.S. might actually not fare so well against China in direct conflict? By CCP propagandists and agency leaders trying to retain or increase their funding, sure lol. China has nowhere close to the supply chain, materiel, experience, or quality tech necessary to challenge the US in direct conflict. They have virtually no original military R&D. It's just poorly reverse en…

> China has nowhere close to the supply chain, materiel, experience…

You mean the country that manufacturers virtually everything Americans buy can’t handle supply chain logistics?

> Remember China has an interest in trying to convey how "good" its military tech is on the global stage. The US does not.

You seriously don’t think the US has an interest in impressing the rest of the world with its military might? Why do you imagine we keep building aircraft carriers?

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by asfarley »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #257
pddpro wrote: post #249

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At the very end of this sentiment is the fact that all movies depicting invasion should only be made if it's Alien invasion. In that way, no one's sentiment would be hurt and no one would be portrayed evil. At some point you have to ask yourself, do you want to remember history, it's atrocities, invasions, war-crimes etc and learn from it or do you want to forget all of that and be happy always?

There's huge a difference between a WW2 documentary accurately depicting the axis and allies, and the US films of the 1980's that were all anti middle-eastern / north african propaganda of wars that never happened. I believe the comment you are replying to is addressing the latter. "Any kid can conquer Libya just give him a fighter plane." - Dead Kennedys, "Rambozo the Clown"

I have a feeling that the Dead Kennedys would not be in favor of editing artwork to avoid offending anyone.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by jeff303 »

mlindner wrote: post #81
syki wrote: post #49

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In China the government tells companies what to do in the furtherance of state aims. In America and elsewhere companies tell government what to do in furtherance of corporate aims. For instance the overthrow of governments on behalf of banana companies and oil companies. What we see now is China exerting influence and power and we aren’t accustomed to having another country do this toward our companies/interests.

This is a rather skewed and incorrect view of history. In America and elsewhere companies do not dictate policy. They can help edge it in a direction they want, but the large swings of policy are out of their control. More so you're generalizing America to the entire west and excluding other Asian countries like Japan.

Yeah, they more or less do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by godelski »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #257
pddpro wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very end of this sentiment is the fact that all movies depicting invasion should only be made if it's Alien invasion. In that way, no one's sentiment would be hurt and no one would be portrayed evil. At some point you have to ask yourself, do you want to remember history, it's atrocities, invasions, war-crimes etc and learn from it or do you want to forget all of that and be happy always?

There's huge a difference between a WW2 documentary accurately depicting the axis and allies, and the US films of the 1980's that were all anti middle-eastern / north african propaganda of wars that never happened. I believe the comment you are replying to is addressing the latter. "Any kid can conquer Libya just give him a fighter plane." - Dead Kennedys, "Rambozo the Clown"

Fwiw The Battle at Lake Changjin is historical. Red Dawn isn't. Despite that I think both points do stand and there is some balance needed.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by mlindner »

erdos4d wrote: post #148
mlindner wrote: post #81

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This is a rather skewed and incorrect view of history. In America and elsewhere companies do not dictate policy. They can help edge it in a direction they want, but the large swings of policy are out of their control. More so you're generalizing America to the entire west and excluding other Asian countries like Japan.

>In America and elsewhere companies do not dictate policy. Huh? In the US large corporations commonly write the laws that get passed. They literally do dictate policy.

That's a myth.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by revnode »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #203
jimbob45 wrote: post #189

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That's fine but China's ultimately shooting themselves in the foot. "If they're not talking about you to your face, they're talking twice as much behind your back". No one is vacationing to China, no one is immigrating to China, no one willingly invests in China when alternatives are present. They're only going to prosper until they can no longer bully the world around economically and then they'll be post-Soviet Rus…

No one is vacationing to China? Some Americans who might have picked China in the past are no longer vacationing to China. Massive amounts of people of Chinese descent still vacation to China. The difference between them and Soviet Russia is people. There are a billion and a half Chinese people. There was less than 300 million people in Soviet Russia. You don't need tourism or immigration when you have a billion+ peo…

> There are a billion and a half Chinese people.

How long is that going to last? Populations fluctuate. They shot themselves in the foot with their one-child policy.

India is also quite populous, but doesn't seem to exert the same kind of influence.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by defaultprimate »

dpark wrote: post #271
defaultprimate wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Haven't there been some recent reports that the U.S. might actually not fare so well against China in direct conflict? By CCP propagandists and agency leaders trying to retain or increase their funding, sure lol. China has nowhere close to the supply chain, materiel, experience, or quality tech necessary to challenge the US in direct conflict. They have virtually no original military R&D. It's just poorly reverse en…

> China has nowhere close to the supply chain, materiel, experience… You mean the country that manufacturers virtually everything Americans buy can’t handle supply chain logistics? > Remember China has an interest in trying to convey how "good" its military tech is on the global stage. The US does not. You seriously don’t think the US has an interest in impressing the rest of the world with its military might? Why do…

>You mean the country that manufacturers virtually everything Americans buy can’t handle supply chain logistics?

Yes, there's a massive difference in military logistics and shipping the latest knock off kitchen appliance via a third party. Global economic sanctions on China would be far more detrimental to China than the US. There's plenty of alternatives.

>You seriously don’t think the US has an interest in impressing the rest of the world with its military might? Why do you imagine we keep building aircraft carriers?

You're right, we should just declassify everything the second a contract is awarded and it enters development.

I'm talking about new R&D, not aircraft carriers. The US is very slow to unveil military capabilities on the global stage. Meanwhile China unveils their F-35 copy the second they can to try to "beat" the US.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by edm0nd »

alienbeast wrote: post #239
mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Here's another perspective: My wife is Chinese, and my son is half-Chinese, born in the USA. I want my son to grow up feeling American, not like an outsider. I don't want movies depicting China invading the USA, teaching his young and impressionable classmates that "Asian = evil invader". I don't want guys that look like him getting gunned down on TV by guys that look like Chris Hemsworth. As you said, the stories we…

Your son or his children might actually have to decide what side to be on eventually. IMO the US will go to war with China outside of economic and cyber warfare we have going on already.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by edm0nd »

ir123 wrote: post #242
defaultprimate wrote: post #175

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It's something I've stated repeatedly: The most dangerous part of China is not its military or nukes (they're actually hardly an offensive threat at all). It's how effective their global propaganda, cultural warfare, and data harvesting techniques are. You don't need nukes when you can destabilize and divide an entire country from within while having everything you need and more to psychologically manipulate the popu…

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by mlindner »

radmuzom wrote: post #223
tlear wrote: post #136

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Silica is not an issue. Intel executives getting kidnapped(err arrested for illegal blah blah), local managers disappearing, sudden "corruption" investigations etc. There are 2 choices, clear out everything and everyone associated with Intel out of PRC or comply.

Funny how China doing something are always in the future tense. Whereas the ones who have committed the atrocity of actually illegally detaining an executive by putting pressure on a friendly country is the USA.

It wasn't an illegal detainment. The company was working with Iran. Oh and she lived in a mansion in Vancouver throughout the whole thing. I'm sure she had endured much hardship getting a free vacation for a couple years.
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