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Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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You can work around that by using javascript (checking for tab losing focus) and checking how quickly the links are being clicked. If you middle-click a bunch of links, then don't click any more links, then it can be inferred that one of the links that you clicked was "good".

How can that be inferred? Maybe the results were all bad and I'm refining my search query. Or trying a different search engine.

>Maybe the results were all bad and I'm refining my search query

that can be detected, by checking further searches are made using the same session.

>Or trying a different search engine.

Maybe if your audience is mainly HN users it might cause an issue, but I think most people don't bother with that so you can count it as noise.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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Go to image search and type in "white people" without quotes. Now repeat the search but with "black people" without quotes. Try the same for "white couple" without quotes. Try the same for "black couple" without quotes. Do you have any insight to this phenomenon?

Image search does not classify image contents. It uses the site text for ranking of the images on that site. Do a google (not image) search for "white people" and you'll see that this phrase is mostly used in pages that are in fact about racism and therefore likely to contain images of black people.

It most certainly does, and has been for at least a year or two, or possibly even a bit longer (can't remember when I first noticed this behaviour).

You can e.g. do a search along the lines of site: , and at least for the most common and recognisable kinds of hair styles, it will actually return relatively reasonable image results, even though online shops most certainly don't have the habit of annotating the hair styles worn by their models on their product pages.

Along the same lines, Google is now also in the habit of OCRing any text content it can find in images and indexing that for search, too.

It's true that it'll still also take the text surrounding the image into account, but it's no longer true that image search is only based on that.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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The CEO and upper management might simply not care about the long-term viability of the company. Cashing out in the short-term sounds more like what these executives generally do.

> Cashing out in the short-term sounds more like what these executives generally do. It only sounds like what they do because you only ever read stuff written by people who believe that without any evidence. Sundar Pichai has been with Google since 2004.

For whatever it's worth: I had a talk with a WSJ reporter, who said he's met all the FAANG chief executives, and Sundar was the least impressive of them all.

Having everyone you've worked with love you and find you brilliant is not at all the same thing as being brilliant.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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If you search for anything political on Google, you'll notice that the results are clearly slanted in one direction, towards the opinion of a handful of pre-approved news outlets. This leads me to seek alternatives whenever I need neutral sources, for instance Yahoo search.

I find these responses fascinating as the "clearly slanted" results tend to change direction depending on the political affiliation of the person making the claim! Having said that, I'd love to be proved wrong if you have any evidence to show a particular bias one way or the other?

Search politically controversial topics incognito with a VPN on using google vs yandex vs duckduckgo? Ivermectin, January 6th arrests, BLM protest deaths, VAED, mRNA studies before 2020, Robert Malone, Geert Vanden Bossche. I mean there's an endless list of things you can experiment with.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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The article mostly talks about IA (instant answers) which are notoriously hard. The recent advances in machine learning have made the technology more approachable, so startups like Kagi Search (disclaimer: founder) can also leverage latest advances in NLP and compete on this ground. To give just a few examples: Query 1: how many stars in the usa flag Google: https://cln.sh/63sVzh Kagi: https://cln.sh/bFEHsD Pretty su…

I got the correct answers from Google when I did the first and second search.

Same results as you on the third one though.

Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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To me, it seems crazy that a company would actively try to self-sabotage their bread-and-butter product in search of a bit of extra revenue when they're already making record profits. Not to mention that, as the author of the article points out, Google published a well-known quantitative paper on why that's a bad tradeoff.

It happens all the time though. Look at amazon, they flood their marketplace with cheap knockoff products that hurt the credibility of their ecommerce offerings, but the money generated is too much to shut off. So in the short run, amazon makes more money for a worse reputation, and in the long run ??? its unclear

My dad frequently says that sooner or later the finance guys get in charge of the company and then they cut the fat and keep cutting into the product. Sooner or later they go too far. Seems fairly inevitable, seems to happen a lot. I assume that what happens is that the product matures, so the obvious thing to do is make things more financially efficient. Problem is, the company sells a product and the finance CEO's core competency is reducing costs, and reducing costs isn't something that customers actually buy.

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That would make sense if so many easy to detect low hanging fruit like blog spam, scraped stack overflow pirates, and listicles didn't make it to the top. Those are easy for google to de-rank and yet they don't.

There are billions of dollars on stake from both sides, search engines and spammers, in an endless arms race that has been going on for more than 20 years. Trust me, it's beyond naive to say fighting webspam is a low hanging fruit problem.

Why should I trust you? I trust my own eyes. I regularly see spam sites that get to the top of results that are seen by many people for months. These could be filtered with a one line change.

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Google's customers want access to the product, this would be denying them that access.

So I assume by customer you mean advertisers and by product you mean the users carrying out searches. For their commercial search results I'll grant you that there's an incentive. But for their non-commercial search results why would they care? That's how it used to work, you couldn't delete a domain from the paid results, but you could make it disappear from the unpaid ones.

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Re: Is Google Search Deteriorating? Measuring Google's Search Quality in 2022

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Incidentally, I noticed very recently (in the last month or so) that searches in google maps (at least on mobile) are also starting to return completely irrelevant results. Something is seriously wrong at google.

It started happening to me around November. I can understand if it shows me an establishment/location with a similar name but the results it gives have nothing in common with the location I'm searching for.

It's baffling.

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